[dgabriel]

And you know many of these lazy women! In fact, all the American women you know are just like that! This is so far-fetched, so unlikely a scenario, that you have to see how ridiculous you're being.

Unless you have their balanced checkbook on hand to prove me wrong, I sincerely doubt any mom is spending all the money on herself. Working mothers don't have the freaking time to spend a whole paycheck on themselves, especially with their husbands hiding at the gym, leaving the bulk of the housework and childcare to her. No wonder these women don't want to sleep with your friends.

[vaksel]

not all American women, just the married ones I know. Look I'll be the first to say, that based on the area that I live in the women are most likely slanted into the princess syndrome area. But that doesn't make what I'm saying any less true(at least for this area).

And yes they are spending all the money on themselves, they can do that, since their husbands cover all the other expenses.

[time_management]

If you don't mind my asking, where do you live?

I've been well-aware of the low average quality of American women since college. In high school, I expected them to have horrible tastes in men (pro-meathead jock, anti-smart guy) because that's what the movies told me was "normal" for HS. Actually, HS was not nearly as bad as I'd been led to anticipate. It was the realization that women's tastes didn't improve when I went to an elite college that led me to think something might be rotten in America. A semester abroad confirmed that there really is a difference in the average quality of women, and that the US comes up short.

However, this is an incredibly diverse country, and I live in New York. So, although the average quality might be low, it doesn't need to affect me and, since college, the problem has never prevented me from having a solid dating life in spite of it. Amazing women are definitely out there.

[vaksel]

I live in NJ, so you being from New York can probably attest to the low quality of marriage material in the area. Not that it doesn't exist, but its more of a needle in a haystack problem.

So I find that its easier to date, at least that way when you both grow tired of each other, you don't lose half your stuff in the divorce.

[homme]

You are dead on about Europe and NJ. Nothing worse than Jersey dumpster diving, especially when you are unaware that is what you are doing.

Some friends of mine went to Europe and came back with 10s, all of them. The most shocking thing they told me was that to talk to women there...you don't even have to have anyththing, you can just be you

Unfortunately, I learned too late. For all the young college guys out there having a hard time, take heed. You get a dilution hit cashing out now, just hold onto your stock and ride it through. Time is on your side.

[time_management]

Is Jersey especially bad, compared to the rest of the US?

Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on the Pacific Northwest?

For all the young college guys out there having a hard time, take heed. You get a dilution hit cashing out now, just hold onto your stock and ride it through. Time is on your side.

Nice way of putting it.

[homme]

My sampling of Jersey was high school and my early twenties, so I have an especially bad memory of the area.

There was also a completely irrational market and bid up of low quality stuff due to shortages. The attitudes are proportionally high-maintenance. It is a very bad place for a young man to be. Avoid it at all costs. The only place I can think of that could be worse is possibly silicon valley.

As far as the Pacific NW, I don't know much of it and what the prevailing attitudes are. I'm guessing the distance from NY can't be a bad thing and you are more likely to run into females with a more naturalistic, feminine affect. Never been there though, so I am not the man to ask.

I'm dead serious about the dilution hit. Something happens around 30 that suddenly puts you incredibly at ease at the same time that the women are getting more anxious. Also, the younger ones (early 20s) start making themselves more available. I can't tell you how many propositions I have gotten from women who wouldn't look at me once in high school. The funny thing is, when you don't need them, the options keep increasing.

[time_management]

I live in NJ, so you being from New York can probably attest to the low quality of marriage material in the area.

No. New York is very diverse. This city's so big that I don't even know what the average quality is, but it doesn't matter; you can definitely find good women here-- including women who've never been corrupted by mainstream American culture, on account of having grown up elsewhere. Of course, there are also the disgusting, materialistic Sex and the City sluts, but if you're not an idiot, you can avoid them.

Not that it doesn't exist, but its more of a needle in a haystack problem.

If you know what you're doing, you can get the low-quality women to reject you pretty quickly. (You'll get rejected a lot.) Don't try to impress them by playing the infantile games that attract low-quality women (e.g. pretending to be aloof to project high status) and don't buy them shit.

The strategy a lot of men use to get laid is to play to the lowest common denominator. It works for racking up a lot of casual sex. It sucks for finding a marriage partner. It's like trying to make an ice sculpture using a battle axe. Keep your sets of habits separate and, if you can't do that, then play it straight and don't fuck around.