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by nielsbot 2 hours ago
(In the US) I switched from Tesla to Rivian. Their approach seems to be “Tesla, but nicer”. They have a similar non-legacy automaker feel.

That said while I appreciate their design focus their software still feels not quite as polished as Tesla’s.
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lotsofpulp 2 hours ago
“Tesla, but nicer, and $20k more”

Also, while FSD has limitations, I have found it provides enormous utility for older people, and Rivian doesn’t yet have a competing product for FSD.

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Grombobulous 2 hours ago
The Rivian R2 is not $20k more. It’s $5k more than the deeply stripped down Model Y base model.

The R2 base model is not as premium as the higher models but the Model Y base model is really deeply stripped down including some really barebones stuff like removing liner material from the frunk and removing some of the exterior LED lights.

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lotsofpulp 2 hours ago
Cheapest Model Y is $40k and cheapest R2 is $58k. Cheapest Model 3 is $37k. The vast majority of Teslas sold are in an entirely different market than Rivian, which hasn’t even started delivering R2s yet.

So really, the price gap is $40k or more until R2s are actually delivered.

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Grombobulous 1 hour ago
Look again, cheapest R2 is $44,990. Deliveries haven’t started on that trim but they are less than a year away.

You are incorrect when you say that Rivian isn’t delivering R2s. Factually untrue. This claim of a $40k+ price gap is absurd.

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lotsofpulp 1 hour ago
Oh yes, I see that now. Either way, Tesla has a proven product that is cheaper, so if I’m trying to save money, for all intents and purposes, a Tesla is still thousands cheaper with a far longer track record, plus the option of FSD.
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Grombobulous 1 hour ago
I think you should go look at journalist reviews and impressions of the R2 if you still doubt them. Rivian is also a proven brand, and they also have a self-driving product. And while it isn’t as good as Tesla’s, most customers are pretty happy with basic highway self-driving/adaptive cruise control, as that’s the most fatiguing form of driving.

Only about 12% of Tesla owners have the FSD subscription or purchase according to articles I’ve found on the subject.

This lines up well with Gallup polling that states that less than 20% of Americans even have a desire to own a driverless car in the future: https://news.gallup.com/poll/708683/americans-driverless-car...

Being the cheapest game in town isn’t always the path to success. The RAV4 is at least $5k more in street price than an equivalently specced out Mitsubishi Outlander and Toyota sells a whole lot more RAV4s than Mitsubishis.

In my opinion, the base trim Model Y is probably not being purchased by a lot of non-fleet-style customers. I think that model is a price anchor like a 256GB MacBook Air. Your Uber driver will buy one but someone buying a new car paying the EV price premium rather than a used car really doesn’t want a stripped down experience.

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pinkyboy 1 hour ago
R2s are already being delivered to customers.

There is no honest way to manufacture a $40k price gap.

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