[KronisLV]

> Claude Code injects a ton of tools into the system prompt

It's so unfortunate they don't let you use the subscription with other harnesses anymore - since even if I used OpenCode they'd still get a bunch of useful data from the API calls, meanwhile I could stretch their tier limits way further.

[kelnos]

The funny thing is that in some cases using a different harness with the subscription plan could actually be very good for Anthropic: e.g. if I were to use smol with Opus, it could use fewer tokens than CC for the same task. People on subscription plans burning fewer tokens is a good thing for Anthropic.

The only downside for Anthropic that I can see is that hitting your limits more often (while using CC) could make you want to upgrade plans, and a more efficient harness could keep you from doing that. But I can't imagine the cost (to Anthropic) of those inefficient tokens is worth it to them.

[epylar]

Subsidized Anthropic subscriptions seem to work fine on the oh-my-pi harness, somehow.

[3uler]

Calling per token usage of the US closed source labs has always been funny to me, we have a clear model of what it actually costs to host these models from open models.

Your subscription is not subsidised, it is just closer to the actual cost of the model…

[jeffrwells]

According to ccusage I use about $5k of tokens on my $100/mo Claude Max plan and only hit 5-hr windows where I have to switch tools for a couple hours about once a week

[epolanski]

It's so unfortunate people don't realize it's cheaper to write their own well working agent instead of insisting with general purpose bloated ones like Claude.

200$/month is a lot of money on Luna/DS4 flash, like really a lot and the results are much better than clowning on bloated CC.

It's absurd how you have more and more organizations encoding their processes on LLMs and "engineers" (charlatan coders) don't even bother optimizing the tool they use most.

[RussianCow]

> the results are much better than clowning on bloated CC.

I won't argue with the cost effectiveness, but the results are very much not better. Opus and Fable are in a different league than DS4 Flash. Even GPT Terra, which I really like overall, sometimes gets stuck in weird loops and starts to do stupid stuff once its context window fills up. Whereas I can more or less trust the big models to just Do The Thing™ on the first try.

With that said, you get way more value out of a GPT subscription than you do from Claude, partly because of the ability to use more efficient harnesses.

[trollbridge]

I have yet to spend $200 on DS4 after two months of using it with an entire team.

[bigstrat2003]

It's cheaper still, and just as effective, to write code yourself instead of having the LLM do it for you.