[time_management]

And they are so afraid of having to go through a divorce that can wipe them out, that they don't feel like trying.

Yep. It's an utterly broken system where the wife can decide she's not into her husband any more and walk away with half of his shit.

Every single married guy I know is MISERABLE. The sex pretty much stops within the first couple of years. And the woman gains mega weight, because now that they "got" you, they don't need to keep in shape.

I think this is far from universal. You seem to know some really unhappy married people.

It seems like this is more often the case among less educated couples who marry too young.

Marrying an American woman is pretty much the worst decision you can make. If you really want to get married, go find a nice European girl to marry, unlike American women, at least they know that marriage is not a one way street.

Why European? My observation is that E. European, Asian, Latin American, and African women are around the same level of quality: very high, because the educated women from those areas are cultured and would be at the pinnacle of refinement by the US standard. Next is W. Europe, Canada, and the Pacific Northwest. Urban sophisticate and minority American women are probably at the same level as Pacific NW ladies: not bad, and not nearly as bad as the reputation of American women would suggest. However, the suburban-bred office cows, raised on Sex and the City and burned out on college casual sex, are at the cellulite-ridden, lumpy, bottom. They're the ones who give American women a bad name. In truth, you can find quality women anywhere, even in the US... it's just much harder in some places.

There seems to be a criticality situation regarding the number of decent women in a given nationality. What might be at root a 2% shortage (in quality American women vs. men) blows up, on account of some sort of a positive feedback loop. The advantage conferred by the shortage causes (some) women to become spoiled, which further erodes the quality of the women, leading to more shortage, and so on.

[ahpeeyem]

"suburban-bred office cows"

that is gold :)

[dgabriel]

So how do we refer to the low quality suburban men? Or is this thread limited to woman-bashing?

[ahpeeyem]

Bash away. I'm not saying I agree with the phrase's sentiment, it's just funny. Moo.

[time_management]

There's also no reason why the phrase "suburban-bred office cow" can't refer to a man. The word "bitch" is often used to describe an emasculated male, so this use of "cow" is not without precedent.

[electromagnetic]

I'd agree with the precedent. I would classify a bullock (castrated male cow) as a cow not as a bull. Equally I'd classify a man with (figuratively speaking) no balls a 'bitch', or a 'ball-less wonder'.

[time_management]

No, there definitely needs to be a term for such men. Lumberghs, perhaps? (This would be after Bill Lumbergh, the idiot middle-manager in Office Space.)

I would say that, whatever the term is, it should evoke the image of a middle-manager petty tyrant who takes his emasculation (both in the home/family sphere, and by nature of his being subordinate to upper management) out on his underlings.

[bitwize]

"Well... _Lumbergh_ fucked her!"

"Ohhh, ohh yeah, that's terrific..."

[whacked_new]

I find this situation very perplexing because there seems to be a grossly unsustainable "mating economy" here but I have never seen a discussion addressing it (possibly because they seem to be held by, almost exclusively, men).

But consider this scenario. There are a group of farmers, who only know how to plant food X. For one reason or another, food X starts tasting bad. Then, the farmers discover a food Y in the vicinity, and decide to eat that instead. Meanwhile, they still only know how to plant food X, and they also don't know what is really causing food X to taste bad, nor where or how food Y appeared, and why it tastes better.

In this case, who can really excuse themselves, claiming that they are really an unfortunate victim of unexpected food spoilage?

[huherto]

I do not understand your analogy. Please explain.

[whacked_new]

Women don't spontaneously mutate into bad women. The problem is likely deep, and societal. If it is societal, then we might (irresponsibly) say that the society produces bad women. If this is the case, then, speaking extremely, at some point you'll run out of the "good" non-native women, but the society is still a factory of bad women. Unsustainable.

This strategy reminds me of: we need energy; drill oil; oil dries; find new; repeat.

And never have I read someone talking about this, at least in regards to a sustainable society.

[Tangurena]

This was part of the point of Naomi Wolfe's book The Beauty Myth - that our "standards of beauty" are dysfunctional and "the system" is, as you put it, "a factory of bad women." Many survive and thrive despite the faulty process.

[eru]

Are you always that critical of your female compatriots?