[DrProtic]

This whole concept of you having to accommodate people illegally entering, or in this case, storming your border is so alien to me.

Once a force of 60k men violently break into your country your duty is to start shooting, instead they had Spanish citizens have to bar their house doors and windows with couches and tremble in fear. Completely insane.

[fcatalan]

We are not in the business of mass massacres. Maybe the US should come and study how to deport 60k people in 24h whithout having to shoot anyone.

[xdennis]

> We are not in the business of mass massacres.

Ridiculous take. Defense is not a massacre. They are almost all fighting age men, and they outnumber the fighting age men of Ceuta. They've caused enourmous damage to Ceuta. All of this could have been prevented if there were men with guns guarding those walls.

During Franco, Ceuta was guarded by a 1 meter tall fence made of barbed wire. No one dared to cross it because they knew what would happen if they invaded.

[fcatalan]

All that tough talk stems from fear.

That fear is fed with dog whistles like "fighting age men" and ample misinformation.

Ceuta is guarded by a 10 meter tall fence equipped with thermal cameras and noise detectors. This people didn't jump that fence, just swam around its end into the sea.

Ceuta is garrisoned by elite units of the Spanish Army, on top of border patrol and police. We have plenty of guns there, but choose not to use them on misled teenagers in swimming trunks and flipflops.

No lasting damage has been reported in Ceuta. This has been less violent than sport event celebrations.

Consider stepping out of the information bubble that weaponizes you as a supporter of mass killing.

[sunshine-o]

> We are not in the business of mass massacres.

Those are unarmed but aggressive foreigners. There are way to stop them entering your country in mass in a few hours without committing a massacre.

Western Europe has no problem using crowd control methods against their own people when they are protesting for good reasons (remember the gilets jaunes?).

But states like Spain are totally incompetent and corrupt. They won't hurt a few foreigners literally invading their country for the optics and do not care their own citizen get hurt as consequence.

[fcatalan]

In 2014 there was an attempt to swim over in the same exact place by just 300 people. Spanish police used rubber bullets to repel them and 14 died in the water.

More than 60 have died this time, even unoppossed.

Deaths could have been easily in the hundreds or thousands in the case of a similar heavy handed response, but our corrupt and incompetent forces have succesfully controlled and defused the situation in a peaceful and humane way within 24h.

I'm quite proud actually.

[Caius-Cosades]

Europeans voted to have open borders. Open borders include having 60k men come into the market zone previously known as "Spain" freely.

[hamper653]

If only.