[grumple]

If you watch the videos or interviews with the “migrants”, these are clearly just agitators and looters trying to have a good time by harassing the Spanish. None of them expect to suddenly become Spanish citizens. It’s like flash mobs or organized looting we see in the US organized by social media.

[hamper653]

Are they, or are they not, foreign-born people crossing a border to settle on the other side?

[debugnik]

See my other reply to you, most are in fact not settling.

[bertylicious]

By your definition a migrant needs to cross borders and successfully settle on the other site. What do you call the people being forced back or stuck in holding facilities and internation camps then?

[debugnik]

I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach. 48000 out of 50000 have returned voluntarily. I don't think that counts as trying, so talking about success is a category error. This was a (deadly) flash mob.

[hamper653]

> I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach.

Actually OP was talking about migrants crossing from Belarus.

[debugnik]

I assumed their qualifier was being applied to this case as well. However I don't think there's any ambiguity about who are we talking about in this specific thread of comments.

[hamper653]

They are not staying at least one year in Europe?

[debugnik]

Most have already returned voluntarily!

[hamper653]

Ok so they are aspiring migrants.

[readthenotes1]

Mostly peaceful aspiring migrants, just trying to make a better life for their children

[grumple]

They were there for the fun of looting and harassing the Spanish at the direction of their government, not to actually settle. I might call them agitators, raiders or invaders, not migrants.

[hamper653]

You believe these people to be Moroccans? Really?

[grumple]

What conspiracy theory is this that you’re pushing that these were not Moroccans? You think there’s some other large group of people who live in Morocco and were just ready to run into Ceuta within a day of this Spanish ruling?

[hamper653]

> You think there’s some other large group of people who live in Morocco and were just ready to run into Ceuta?

Morocco, being close to Spain, is a well-known hub for migrants from all over Africa hoping to make it to Europe, yes.

Do you also believe that all the migrants attempting to cross the Channel from Calais are… French?