[akst]

I think also the lack of framework support for things like defining a shadow root probably feeds into this idea it needs to be mutually exclusive.

Elements in shadow root elements can be updated more or less the same way as elements in light doms with incremental patches and updates.

The main beneficiary of supporting shadow root and local stylesheets would likely be hobbyist projects looking to minimise their build step, as local stylesheets give you much of the benefits of many of the tools that handle localising a stylesheet to a component at build time.

Unfortunately, I haven't really seen numbers on this but I can't help but I feel the way styles are bundled by most modern bundlers (with global styles and minified classNames) will likely outperform a bunch of disparate components with their own individual local stylesheet with its own request (even with http2 or whatever). So again I can see why the framework maintainers may struggle justify spending time and energy on this.

[troupo]

There's also the issue that web components are eager. Once it's in the DOM, and upgraded, it will cause an endless cascade of requests for every import inside.

I don't know if they fixed it, but when reddit rewrote their menu with web components, it required 100+ http requests to render.

[lelanthran]

> don't know if they fixed it, but when reddit rewrote their menu with web components, it required 100+ http requests to render.

Nothing to fix, mostly. Those are static requests and get cached.

[troupo]

Or you do a single request with a sane framework, and it gets cached.

It's a menu, not a nuclear plant dashboard.

[lelanthran]

I have a wrapper around fetch for static requests so that no matter how many requests for the same file are made at the same time, only one of them actually goes out over the wire.

There is no problem here, whether you have a page that requests a static file 1000 times in a nested DOM or a single time. The outcome is still only a single request.

[troupo]

> I have a wrapper around fetch for static requests

imports are not fetched by JS fetch. They are fetched by the browser. It happens before any JS in the component is even run.

That's why web components force request cascades: for every import the browser fetches the script, parses it, and starts fetching imports there, recursively.

Edit: it's also one of the reasons why bundling exists in most JS build tools. `import` was conceived when parallel fetching over http2 was right around the corner... and never materialized. So why make potentially hundreds of inneficient network calls (with browsers restricting them to something like 4 at a time), when you can just collocate code and dependencies?

[lelanthran]

Ah, I see what you mean. You were talking about using imports recursively.

I use fetch instead of imports for web components because I have a web component that does client-side includes, and it's literally easier to do client-side includes in a performance manner than anything else, including the recursive case.

[akst]

I don't know I've encountered this same issue, but I've seen cases where the same stylesheet would be fetched multiple times which is quite annoying. I had to go out of my way to setup something to handle this.

Basically in my own render DSL like, I do this:

    import { customElement, define, shadow } from '...';
    
    export const ExampleInput = define((props, ctx) => {
      const sheet = ctx.useRemoteStyleSheet(styleSheetUrl);
      const onInput = ctx.useHandler(...);
      const onKeyDown = ctx.useHandler(...);
      // ...
    
      const field = input
        .css({ opacity: sheet.loaded ? '1' : '0' })
        .on(onInput, onKeyDown)
        .void({ type: 'text', value: text, disabled, className });
    
      return customElement('akst-input-number')
        .shadow(shadow.css(sheet).c(field))
        .void({ className: hostClassName });
    });

There's a bit going here, and my terrible method names probably don't help, but `ctx.useRemoteStyleSheet` internally checks if the stylesheet has been fetched is the process of being fetched, returns an object which contains the load state allowing the component to handle its unloaded state. But this might avoid that specific issue of 100+ css requests, I still get quite a few just not that many.

Before that I had a more manual process where fetches had to go through a style sheet loading "service" (or a light stateful wrapper over one). This was before I effectively made the above react like clone. Now that just happens behind the scenes, instead of all the nasty wiring I had with the web component class.