[cyberpunk]

So your argument is that they should have gotten it exactly right first time and stuck to their guns?

I mean come on. The Golang team created a useful language people use for building real things — it’s easy to work with especially on large teams, and when the lack of generics turned out to be a pain point in the end (after years of production reality) they understood what the community wanted and actually… added them..

Now what, it’s not good enough?

No one forced you to use go.

No programming language is perfect. I personally find the language has served me well.

And after being so very pro generics myself, i actually find myself not even really using them that much apart from calling the slices module etc which has them under the hood anyway…

[brokencode]

Nope, I’m saying that the language that was seemingly designed with either an ignorance of or disdain for the hard-won lessons from decades of prior programming languages.

There was even this condescending attitude that Google engineers couldn’t understand fancy languages anyway, so they had to dumb Go down.

My criticism really isn’t even about Go itself. Yeah it’s improving, which is great.

My criticism is about this anti-intellectual attitude that has permeated the entire Go community since its inception. It’s like hearing that college is a waste of time from people who never graduated high school.

[inigyou]

my criticism is that if we make every language identical, we might as well only have one language. (C++, obviously)

There is room for a language without generics. There was a language without generics. Now there is not.

[brokencode]

Well here’s the thing on generics. Go always had generics since the very beginning. It’s just that only certain built-in types had them.

Slices, maps, and channels all were generic from day one. Same with functions like append, copy, etc.

Your criticism makes no sense unless you think Go shouldn’t have had generics from the start, which it did.

[metaltyphoon]

I think when people mention generics, they don’t mean builtins from the language but a language construct for generics.

[inigyou]

By that logic C has generics because pointers are a generic type - you can have a pointer to any type you want.

[brokencode]

Sure, lots of languages have some level of parametric type support.

This is just basic programming stuff and not limited to esoteric research languages.

Yet so many in the Go community treated it as some kind of language-ruining complexity.

[pjmlp]

Go only took off thanks to Docker pivot from Python into Go, and Kubernetes from Java into Go, after the respective teams got some Go folks into the project.

The usual RIX approach, followed the whole devops hype cycle that created all those CNCF projects half of which no one in devops space actually knows they exist.

[blandflakes]

And the kubernetes code and APIs still read like corporate Java for years after, too