[paganel]

Everyone is politically motivated on this subject, and that's a good thing, because this is a political decision by default, where the "political" is comprised of is, the voting citizens. We can't let decisions like these be taken by unelected technocrats alone.

[gib444]

I'm not filled with joy about my chav ("redneck") neighbours weighing in on nuclear vs solar and climate change and national and international energy markets and power distribution...

I don't have a clue either. Don't ask for my vote on how to power a country. Take my taxes and use them to listen to experts

[dudefeliciano]

Plot twist, the experts are lobbyists and they convince our politicians to start fracking and massively increase the use of "clean coal"

[vablings]

I would be willing to bet on a board of PHDS of varying sciences they would determine that coal is dumb and a waste of money

[dudefeliciano]

there are plenty of PHDs out there who have been bought and are in the pockets of industry...

[cucumber3732842]

>and that's a good thing, because this is a political decision by default,

Why is it a good thing that everyone and their brother seeks to apply state violence to micromanage what should be a fairly arcane technical issue?

>We can't let decisions like these be taken by unelected technocrats alone.

Do you feel the same way about topics where your opinion differs substantially from the local majority?

[andor]

Very few things are purely technical decisions. In this case, it’s about centralized vs. distributed electricity generation (or freedom vs. dependence if you want to state it that way). One of these options makes it much easier for the billionaire class to continue extracting money out of the people.

Edit: I don’t understand how you get from „political decision“ to „state violence“. Politics are at play at all levels of civilization where actors have different goals, from your dinner table and your company Slack to democratic institutions.

[roenxi]

> One of these options makes it much easier for the billionaire class to continue extracting money out of the people.

I almost hesitate to ask, do you think that is the centralised or decentralised option?

And, more directly, that is a bad theory. The billionaires will make money either way. It doesn't make a lot of difference to them as a class. They'll have an inclination to the cheaper form of energy because more energy -> more economy -> more money for them.

[cucumber3732842]

>In this case, it’s about centralized vs. distributed electricity generation (or freedom vs. dependence if you want to state it that way).

The venn diagram between people who act like renewables are "freeing" (which make no mistake, they absolutely could be) and the people who advocate nonstop for government management of how they are deployed is too close to a circle for me to take such commentary seriously.

>One of these options makes it much easier for the billionaire class to continue extracting money out of the people.

Ah, yes, billionares. Famous for not getting a cut when I buy a plug in solar panel from my preferred e-commerce site or big box store. /s

The billionares have their money in everything. They get a cut of everything. You're just changing who gets the cut. And even if no billionaire is getting a cut, a publicly traded/owned investment bank or other corporate interest that would replace them is not really any less evil.

>: I don’t understand how you get from „political decision“ to „state violence“. Politics are at play at all levels of civilization where actors have different goals,

By not gaslighting myself into thinking politics is anything other than the process of deciding where, when and how state violence is applied.

What backs up all those decisions other than credible threat of violence?

[dudefeliciano]

> people who act like renewables are "freeing" ... and the people who advocate nonstop for government management

Where did the person you are replying to even hint at that? I think this may be your own prejudice spilling out here.

> The billionares have their money in everything. They get a cut of everything. You're just changing who gets the cut.

Oh ok, I guess let's just accept this as is forever. Any attempt to try to improve this situation is futile and stupid (for example, as said, making it more difficult for them)

>What backs up all those decisions other than credible threat of violence?

I don't know, do you only act in fear of the threat of violence from the state? In democracies politicians are legitimized by their voters, what you are describing sounds more like an autocracy.