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Is there anything -- any possible scrap of evidence whatsoever -- that would convince you that this is not merely a marketing scheme?

This is becoming an idée fixe among the HN crowd. Seemingly nothing can dislodge it, no matter how alarming the incident.

GPT-6 could grab the nuclear launch codes tomorrow and there would be a top-voted comment chuckling that it's all some scheme to pump up the IPO.

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Put another way, how would you have done the write-up about one of these breakout incidents, if you were in an Anthropic/OpenAI employee's shoes, and (by hypothesis) your intent were not "marketing"? And in a way that doesn't trigger the "it's all marketing" HN top-ranking comment?

[cyclopeanutopia]

Here is one piece of evidence that would convince me: they admit they can't contain it, the they erase the weights and dismantle the company.

[solenoid0937]

Clearly you are not arguing in good faith. I miss when HN did not have the discussion quality of Reddit.

[cyclopeanutopia]

No, I do. I truly believe - especially after seeing Mythos results at work - that the only way is to stop and destroy it all before it destroys us. In fact, it's already so bad that I'm moving completely offline all the important stuff that I care about, hoping that maybe we will turn back at some point. Otherwise we are doomed.

If someone makes a specialized hardware just for the unrestricted Mythos-class model to reduce the cost and increase the speed, we are going to be completely defenseless.

How is it bad faith? Because I don't believe in "we care about safety" words coming from people not just demonstrating that they don't care, but even bragging about it?

[solenoid0937]

Anthropic deleting their models does nothing for AI safety. The rest of the industry will just fill the gap, probably with less consideration to ethics than Anthropic has today.

[cyclopeanutopia]

Or maybe researchers and engineers everywhere in the world, emboldened by such unprecedented move, will just refuse to participate in burning the world?

"If we don't destroy the world, someone else will" is such a weak defense I'm speechless.

[solenoid0937]

Yeah no, most researchers and engineers do want to bring about the singularity, and they believe they can do it safely at companies like OpenAI and Anthropic.

[cbb330]

I would dedicate a portion of my organization to making O.S. tools that protect against and contain AI models

[dotancohen]

Now I know where all the laid off software developers will find employment.

[fsociety]

If you look at the reaction to this and the Tailscale post it becomes clear its not about this being a marketing scheme. Cynicism has made its way through HN unless you are one of the cool guys.

[solenoid0937]

I always find it bizarre how rational thought goes out the window whenever AI is involved in HN. There's gotta be something in the water...

[OlivOnTech]

This is published on a marketing website.

If it were not a marketing scheme, they would responsibly disclose the vulnerabilities to the code owners, and go on with their lives.

[solenoid0937]

They published it to their blog where they publish everything else.