[holoduke]

A bit of topic. But how likely is it that the US will restrict Chinese open weight models and also force Euro countries to do the same? I think it will be effective within 6 months. The US is having a hard time staying competitive.

[jeppebemad]

I don’t know, but I do think that the days of the US “forcing” Euro countries to do anything, is over.

[impossiblefork]

It isn't legally possible for them to do this at the EU level. The EU parliament would never vote for it.

For pressure at the country level leading to this kind of thing I think it's very unlikely. Here in Sweden it wouldn't just require a vote in the Swedish parliament and before this there'd have to be förarbeten and you can't just brazenly push things through with insane arguments, Swedish social convention goes against it-- and there's just no way to get it through.

It also might not even be legal. "We aren't at war with China and I'm a communist, and the US LLMs are so aligned with values inimical to my political ideology that this is interference with opinion formation" might be an actual legal argument that the ECHR or CJEU might actually have to accept.

[holoduke]

It happened with ASML. What's your thought on it? The US forbid dutch company to export.

[impossiblefork]

Well, that's the deal, I assume-- that they weren't allowed to buy the Japanese light source outright, so they bought the American one, even though it required giving the Americans some sort of veto or control.

I guess it sucks if one wants to expert broadly, but if you're big on vertical integration and the Japanese won't sell I guess you take what you can get.

[realusername]

Trump burned a lot of bridges in the EU, that one will be a hard sell