[ursuscamp]

I don't necessarily buy that API prices represent "real" prices of the models.

[drewnick]

I moved one of our daily workflows over to Kimi K3 on Fireworks. It replaces two sales assistant positions, and was about $50/day for 14 million tokens total (in/out). They surely are not subsidizing this price as it is just inference only and other providers are even less money.

[spwa4]

It's probably a safe assumption that openrouter prices for Kimi K3 are "real".

[toasty228]

If they're hosted in China next to a coal power plant and maintained by people getting paid 1/10th of a US engineer sure.

I doubt opanai and anthropic will go that road

[polski-g]

Not in the slightest as there are providers selling K3 for half of what OR has them listed for. (And maintaining profitability)

[xienze]

Well of course they're higher than marginal cost. But these providers have to also generate a fat return on investment.

[tempfile]

What do you think the real price is? Subscriptions are heavily subsidised, I don't know anyone who would deny that.

[NiloCK]

The general model for subscriptions is that power users are subsidized by subscriptions of casual users, like a gym membership or whatever.

This is a little dicier in post-agent AI, because it's easier for casual users to automate power-user consumption, but the providers have done decently in discouraging that.