[Geezus_42]

I don't get it. Neither one is hard to setup. How do people have such a hard time with such simple configuration. Then again the majority of "mail admins" I have interacted with have absolutely no understanding of SMTP and can barely wrap their heads around DNS.

I've had more than one argue with me that having more than 10 lookups in the SPF isn't the issue even though I am showing them the SPF failure and the RFC stating that you are not allowed more than 10. Like, good for you that Gmail doesn't care, we do, fix your shit.

[inigyou]

DKIM is hard to set up. SPF is easy.

[Geezus_42]

No it's not. You just publish another TXT record.

[inigyou]

...... and sign all outgoing emails.

[Geezus_42]

Which is not hard to do. It's literally a switch in O365. It takes a bit more in other environments, but nothing a competent admin should really struggle with.

[inigyou]

so your opinion is that anyone who self-hosts their email is not competent? You know, there's a huge amount of machinery behind that toggle switch Microsoft offers you.