[FinchNova12]

"Kimi is largely a byproduct of distillation" and "Kimi is introducing new and novel approaches" are not mutually exclusive, and I'm not sure it's clear from the paper how much of the improvement comes from the new approaches. So I wouldn't take the new approaches to be much evidence about whether the distillation attacks occurred.

[nl]

Even Anthropic hasn't claimed "Kimi is largely a byproduct of distillation"

There's been some distillation.

Just like how Elon said in court they distill to make Grok.

[FinchNova12]

I thought there is discussion circulating around whether the main reason Kimi is impressive is due to distillation. Though possibly if this occurred, this was just one component of their training pipeline and not a majority

[anon373839]

> distillation attacks

Like the distillation “attacks” Anthropic conducted against literally millions and millions of different creators?

[mensetmanusman]

Scanning google is an ‘attack’

[waterTanuki]

Reading Claude's outputs is an 'attack'