[AnimalMuppet]

> Do you think it's more likely that 'the entire world is wrong and you are right' ... OR ... that you just personally have not figured out how to use the technology in way that makes sense and/or you have a bad sense of of what quality means in most contexts.

Yeah, see, I've seen this movie before. I've seen it with Lisp. "You just haven't used it enough to reach enlightenment! We all have! Keep going; you'll see it too!"

And then with Haskell. Exact same looking down on everyone who doesn't agree as unenlightened, as people who Just Don't Get It.

Both Lisp and Haskell are useful languages. Neither is the future of mainstream programming, not just because the mainstream is unenlightened, but because those languages don't fit the way most programmers think.

People are different. Different languages fit different people. If Lisp fits how you think, when you find it after wandering through procedural languages, it feels incredibly freeing. But if it doesn't fit...

So I get very nervous about "you just haven't figured out how to use it" claims. Maybe it's true. Or maybe it just doesn't fit a bunch of people, and browbeating them with claims that they're unskillful does not make it fit them any better.