[otterley]

> Plato and Socrates who believed that only philosophers and those who sought wisdom should have a say in the affairs of the sate [sic]

Plato and Socrates obviously weren’t democrats. Also, neither of them is still alive.

> philosophy is full of ideas of how nations should be organized and it's interesting because there's no dogma around it and no villainizing disagreements

That’s because philosophy is abstract. Nobody of any importance is seriously claiming that we should have philosopher-kings leading Western societies. It’s too distant a threat.

> last I checked Tobais Lutke was discussing the idea not implementing it

Lutke was only discussing the idea, but that doesn’t mean it should be paid any heed. It’s also completely fair game to publicly shame him for such ideas.