[teaearlgraycold]

I plan to hack it to use openrouter and Kimi K3 or GLM 5.2 to keep expenses reasonable.

For context can you share the line count?

[typpo]

No need to hack it, we'll add proper support for this.

[teaearlgraycold]

Excellent. Stuff like this, or LLM SRE automation, are big product spaces for the future.

[st3fan]

Give this a try https://infosec.exchange/@st3fan/117000352530023032

[ymir_e]

FYI: Kimi K3 is relatively expensive on open router API pricing for agentic tasks, or at least that's been my experience playing around with it.

[teaearlgraycold]

They just opened the weights. I expect competition from various providers will drop the price a bit. But you're right. I'd hope a model closer to GLM 5.2's price would be sufficiently useful.

[dannyw]

A license and presumably revshare is required for large scale inference as a service of Kimi K3. There's clearly something going on right now with every router at the same or higher price as the Moonshot list price.

So I wouldn't count on competition if $/mil token is actually set by Moonshot, but I would expect $/tok to drop when there's a more competitive frontier open weight model.

[Tepix]

Where did you get that from? That‘s not what the license says: https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3/blob/main/LICENSE

The current price is likely a result of the high demand and the high requirements of this model.

[klausa]

Did you actually read the license?

> If the Licensee or any of its affiliates operates a Model as a Service business, and the aggregate revenue of the Licensee and its affiliates exceeds 20 million US dollars (or the equivalent in other currencies) in total over any consecutive 12 months, the Licensee must enter into a separate agreement with Moonshot AI before using the Software or its derivative works for any commercial purpose.

[Tepix]

I stand corrected. I read over that multiple times somehow.

Looks as if these companies could wait until they reach $20 million of revenue with Kimi K3 until they enter a separate agreement.

[catgirlinspace]

if you’re hosting it then you have to have an agreement with Moonshot, which presumably includes terms about pricing.

[purerandomness]

Only if "the aggregate revenue of the Licensee and its affiliates exceeds 20 million US dollars (or the equivalent in other currencies) in total over any consecutive 12 months"