[firasd]

I feel like the Big Insight with Claude Code was 'give the AI access to tools, in fact to your actual laptop'. And of course 1.5 years later 'a harness to enable an agent to use my computer' has turned into the flagship product we expect from frontier labs

However. I don't think all the other 'Ideas' these harness-building guys have are all that universally applicable. Heck they are naysaying their own gearhead stack of skills.md and claude.md lately including in this video. But also I'm suspicious of this whole thing of spawning agents. For example "find every function in this codebase" is probably better done deterministically using a script that extracts function names rather than by spawning 20 agents to 'read' chunks of the code in token space. But it certainly racks up the token usage which is good for the person selling you inference...

And there is a lot missing in the actual harnesses frankly that isn't about more parallel agent ninjutsu. Like why isn't there a 'move this function from this file to this file' tool (copy/paste char range) and we have to see Claude/Codex/etc flail around rewriting huge chunks of code in token space

[senand]

> Like why isn't there a 'move this function from this file to this file' tool (copy/paste char range)

There Is: https://github.com/oraios/serena

[ifwinterco]

Yes exactly, his job is first and foremost to be a token salesman.

He’d be telling you to use workflows that spin up loads of agents all the time whether or not he actually thought they were the best way to be productive

[rescripting]

> Like why isn't there a 'move this function from this file to this file' tool (copy/paste char range)

There is, you can install LSPs for a given language which act as just another tool the model can use to more efficiently manipulate code.

[firasd]

LSPs don't really do this. They're like a better way to grep for something (so they do address the previous thing I said about listing all function names etc.) But they often don't say (depending on the particular LSP setup etc) this function ends at this char and they definitely don't then provide the text editing tool

[throw478239]

This is not accurate. Most LSPs do provide text editing tools, which the Language Server Protocol calls "code actions". These actions do things like: reorganizing imports, expanding macros, extracting a selection into a function, or converting one type of control flow into another (e.g. if to match). Common LSPs, like rust-analyzer and Ruff (Python) support code actions. Editors also expose code actions: Zed, for instance, exposes actions under the default keymap with the binding Command + .

source: https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifi... and https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifi...

[firasd]

Come on what are we talking about. Ruff is a linter. Can you show me any LSP server that can move an arbitrary function from file1.ts to file2.ts based on calling it on the command line?

[jaggederest]

They're not command line applications, they use JSON-RPC inline, and it's an interactive flow, so you need the client to actually persist state.

So what you'd see in the LLM traces, for example, is a couple back-and-forths using JSON-RPC. It absolutely works at the moment, and claude code will happily use it if everything is set up correctly, just tested it using https://github.com/typescript-language-server/typescript-lan...

[firasd]

What did you test exactly?

Look what I’m asking for is not complicated

Node cutpaste.js inputpath startcharnum endcharnum outputpath startcharnum

I was just using it as an example of how dropping claude / gpt in a Linux shell and saying good luck and then giving interviews about spawning sub agents seems to overlook basic text editing primitives

But if you managed to move an arbitrary char range from one file to another using Claude Code talking to the TS LSP server let me know that would be enlightening.

[wild_egg]

I've had decent results telling agents to use emacs for structural editing operations. Pretty rare that I need to move a function across files verbatim but that should only be a few extra lines of elisp.

[verdverm]

not sure if Go pls supports moving between files, but it does have some sophisticated edit features

https://go.dev/gopls/features/transformation

it does look to have a method for moving a function to a new file

I give my agent access to go pls and find it overall beneficial, based on vibes eval. Its way easier to ask LSP everywhere a function or field is used versus grep, saves a lot of tokens