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by nemomarx 13 hours ago
what's the current solution that's impossible for kids to bypass with a borrowed or stolen id, say?

I don't see any proposals yet that will actually work for what they say they'll do.

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You want a proposal? Make a kids-only set of sites. And then make hardware/software that can access only those sites. Make sure existing and future "non-kid" hardware can't access those kids-only sites. You can allow companies to register that they are one of these kid friendly sites with the additional regulation that would entail. Then make a kid having hardware that can access the normal Internet like having a beer in the US. Now perhaps you can find a hole in this, but it can be patched with technology and the right regulation.

That we aren't doing something like this gives the game away. How the EU is going about this means the point of all of this has nothing to do with children and everything to do with controlling political speech.

PS Yea, I know its a very vague suggestion, it can still be implemented

One issue that I see with this type of system is that it doesn't allow for parental/guardian oversight of what kids are doing or discussing.

Ever gone down the auto-suggestion rabbit hole on YouTube Kids? You start getting into weird and potentially disturbing territory much more quickly than you'd expect.

That's a good point. However, its possible to police YouTube Kids without destroying free speech. Policing the entire Internet and everyone else...not so much. That's the whole point of having the companies providing "kids" sites to register and have a specific set of regulations about the "kids" sites. Perhaps those regulations include parental controls.
What's to stop an adult from using the "kids only" hardware?
Nothing. It won't matter on age appropriate sites.
So age appropriate sites could not have any private communication functionalities.
Yup. Everything can be bypassed by kids as they have time, motivation and learn new stuff with blink of an eye.

Just like we once were.

Lots have been made. It's not a hard technical problem.
You have to stop thinking like an engineer and start thinking like a public health official.

'Something impossible for kids to bypass' is not the goal. It's akin to evaluating a flu vaccine on the standard of zero breakthrough cases. Such a standard has no relevance on the efficacy of the vaccine.

Likewise for underage internet access. Proponents would be happily satisfied with 90% compliance. They really don't care that coverage isn't complete or circumvention is complete. Once you realize that, you can start constructing counterarguments that dismantle the claim that digital IDs would solve the problems they're supposed to.