[mullingitover]

> Hang on, how is listening to the heartbeat mental torture?

How about if the state decided that it wouldn't force you to donate your organs to some dying person who needed them, but every time there was a person who needed your your organs and you declined you would have to sit and listen to their heartbeat for 20 minutes. Really sit and think about the person you're deciding to kill. After all, if you don't give your body to someone who needs it, you've killed them.

You'd be cool with that, right?

[drdaeman]

There’s no person in case of a fetus.

[mullingitover]

I agree, but for a sizable chunk of the population who've had it drilled into them from the time they were a toddler, it's an article of faith.

So for people who won't debate on anything but that axiom, it's important to point out the major issues with it.