[rdtsc]

Well it is something else in Russia. Unfortunately it is ingrained into the social interaction protocol. You are setting up a business deal, you are expected to have a drink with a person. Family gatherings -- same thing.

Now this is all based what people in their 40 and older do. Not really sure how younger kids act these days anymore.

Alcohol and drunkenness is a national scourge. Imagine drinking vodka in the volumes of that Americans drink beer. You know, nice tall glasses. Polishing off a half liter bottle of Vodka in one sitting between two people is not really seen as a spectacular feat just basic stuff.

[bambax]

I went to a wedding in Poland once. Oh my. They drink vodka like water (or wine), and it's hard to tell if they're drunk or simply happy.

After each course people stand up and dance, and then return to yet another bowl of soup of potatoes and bread, and a large glass of vodka.

My wife was sitting next to a very big guy who told jokes in a language that was a mix of polish/bad German/worse English. He underscored each punchline with a real punch that he would throw into my wife's arm, with his elbow. She weights something like 90 pounds, and he must have been over 200 pounds (of muscle). She would almost fly off her chair every time.

[zalew]

A traditional picture of a Polish wedding is a huge village party lasting for two days with huge families, everybody is totally hammered, there's the creepy drunk uncle, and for sure there must be at least one fight after which nobody remembers what was it about. Nowadays, especially in big cities, it has somehow faded away. Probably because weddings are so expensive and people came to their senses as they have their contemporary problems, also it's not viewed as cool to trash a wedding, so maybe people tend to control themselves more on such occasions. People get really hammered on casual home parties among friends and clubbing in town, not on weddings.

It's something sometimes hard to explain to Americans, but in Poland, Russia, and most of Eastern Europe in general, vodka is a big deal. People don't care about drinking beer or wine (although they are very popular), but there is a certain culture and ruleset about drinking vodka.

[ajuc]

Very few people get really drunk on weddings, even thought you can easily drink over half a litre of wódka throught the whole night.

I think that's because people eat fat stuff and soups with oil all the time (it stops alcohol from being absorbed quickly. It's important to eat the first fat meal before drinking), and they dance often (so the metabolism is faster).

EDIT: but yeah, in Russia they drink even more. Also the social protocols around drinking differs a little (tall glasses vs shot glasses for example).

[alexkus]

Not just Poland. I've been to an identical wedding in Slovakia (I can still remember the burn from the slivovica).

[xentronium]

> Well it is something else in Russia. Unfortunately it is ingrained into the social interaction protocol. You are setting up a business deal, you are expected to have a drink with a person. Family gatherings -- same thing.

Gatherings — yes. Business — not necessarily. At least, anecdotal evidence of my various relatives doing small to medium scale business doesn't seem to confirm that.

> Now this is all based what people in their 40 and older do. Not really sure how younger kids act these days anymore.

> Alcohol and drunkenness is a national scourge. Imagine drinking vodka in the volumes of that Americans drink beer. You know, nice tall glasses. Polishing off a half liter bottle of Vodka in one sitting between two people is not really seen as a spectacular feat just basic stuff.

Unfortunately, younger kids mostly act like their older role models with regard to smoking and drinking. I always feel so lonely in a drunken company :(

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This raises a question: how realistic are high school parties in US as depicted in various movies? As in: gathering lots of people in someone's house and bringing lots of booze via fake ids?

[abrahamepton]

> This raises a question: how realistic are high school parties in US as depicted in various movies? As in: gathering lots of people in someone's house and bringing lots of booze via fake ids?

I went to high school at a public school in Chicago, and was (am) a nerd, so I never even heard about such things. But my wife, who went to high school in the suburbs of Denver, went to a few such parties - sometimes, if the parents were cool, they'd supply the booze. America!