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by watwut 1 day ago
The culture war does not speeps into the translation itself. There is literally no culture war in the book itself. Not even a hint of it.

What she wrote in the last paragraph in the review is response to the usual suspects working hard to make the casting into culture war. You know, that black actor being in the movie is a great offense to the classic argument. It is ok to respond to it once that argument was made by powerful people with a lot of following.

The "she keeps at it" is weird considering this a review where commentary fully belongs and culture war thing was not started by Willson or even Nolan. They just made their things. Then other people made it into culture war. Then Willson responded to existing culture war claims in her review of the movie. Is the underlying assumption that only Musk gets to broadcast his opinions? And that if others respond then it retroactively invalidate their previous work?

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>Is the underlying assumption that only Musk gets to broadcast his opinions?

No the underlying assumption is that there's no one side to such a thing named a culture war regardless of how much of an idiot musk is. Whitaker and the like criticised her for changing from the original according to personal biases and from her responses she quite alignes with those. There's a progressive perspective there that she does not deny and that i found mentioned in any praise of the translation.

One can't be claiming and praising progressive influences and then claim the detractors are imaginging them the next moment.

>What she wrote in the last paragraph in the review is response to the usual suspects working hard to make the casting into culture war.

What she wrote is a response to the actual movie. We can assume it to be her opinions regardless. And yes it does show a perspective that some would count as woke. Things such as saying that filming in the western sahara is a normalisation of violence against the Sahrawi which 99% of viewers will not have heard of. Saying that the perspective of the victims must be shown and incur horror in a movie portrarying war is not something that falls in line with those ancient retellings, it's her own progressive take regarding media in general. The same with clamouring for pushing female characters forward in a deeply patriarchical tale or calling anything other than raceswapping the main character of greek mythos not progressive all point in that direction.

I read Whitaker article. And I completely stand by what I said. He was offended over the world "slave" to be used, by using contemporary language and so on.

That part she wrote there was response to the outrage Musk was creating. It is clearly said in the text and you need a whole dose of bad faith to pretend it is reaction to the movie only. And that outrage is about casting and wish for white only movies, everything else is an insult to people like him.

> The same with clamouring for pushing female characters forward in a deeply patriarchical tale or calling anything other than raceswapping the main character of greek mythos not progressive all point in that direction.

By pushing you mean "not suppressing". Fun fact: deeply patriarchal societies do in fact use female characters and write about women. I know, because I read old books. The need to not have them in stories is specific to just some patriarchal societies. The need to write them out of history and out of old books is also specific to certain patriarchal wanna be branches.