[foco_tubi]

Not that there's any credence to the idea, but many residents of low-income neighborhoods in urban areas see bike lanes as a dinner bell for gentrification. Never mind that a ton of bicycle commuters in urban areas are from low-income neighborhoods themselves...

[jimbokun]

I will never understand the fight against “gentrification”. You want property values in your neighborhood to go DOWN?

[hakfoo]

Property values going up is only appealing if you own property.

For renters, it means they're going to try to increase rents.

For everyone, it presents a pressure on favourite local businesses-- higher costs, and an influx of well-bankrolled outside competitors.

[cucumber3732842]

Value of an illiquid asset doesn't help renters who don't own that asset or residents who aren't in a position to liquidate.

Furthermore, the absolute last thing most of these communities need is an influx of people who have fewer big problems in their jurisdiction because those people always go right to work turning the screws of government on the poors and existing residents.

I'm not saying vote against change at every turn, but given the choice between heavy industry and rich people I'm taking the heavy industry every damn time.

[jimbokun]

So White Flight was a good thing?

[cucumber3732842]

>So White Flight was a good thing?

I'll take your flagrant strawman. You're telling me that black communities weren't doing probably the best they've ever done during that exact same period?

A conspiracy theorist would say the white man invented welfare to keep them down. I would say they weren't thinking that far ahead. I mean hell, wealthy (enough, and mostly white but that's beside the point) folk had their own communities to run and what did they do? They cooked up zoning and look how that turned out. And then they kicked all the heavy industry out of the country because I guess we're supposed to all get rich off financial products and real estate speculation. You can hair split and lay these problems at the feet of various groups. Liberal white women, hippies, moralizing christian types, money grubbing businessmen and investors, people with little hats and big noses, etc, etc. Perhaps some of the assessments of blame are mostly true. But they, and other aspects of naive pattern machining (insert 13/50 joke here) wholly miss the the broader trend. And t

The political whims and their nearly universal ignorance of 2nd and beyond order consequences that arise out of the "comfortable middle class and above" have been a disaster for western society.

Idle hands are the devils workshop and oh boy has he been productive over the past couple generations.

Wanna discuss unions next? I have a spicy take on those too.

[jimbokun]

This is an incoherent mess of labels and epithets. I can’t detect any real argument.

[cucumber3732842]

>I can’t detect any real argument

I'd say that's a you problem but it's actually an "everyone who has to share society with you" problem.

[foco_tubi]

There are a myriad of sources available to help you understand.

How to Kill a City is a good one.