[troupo]

Lol. Even the hamburger menu doesn't work on htmx.org without Javascript.

I'll let you find any working examples yourself.

Most sites won't work or will be broken, too. Obviously You have to actually try and work on progressive enhancement, and not rely on marketing blurbs and promises of magic.

I wonder if people blindly defenfing their favorite thingd actually know anything about them.

[yawaramin]

Hamburger menu on the htmx.org site using JavaScript has nothing to do with htmx the framework itself, they’re completely unrelated. It wouldn’t be difficult to make the hamburger menu work without any JS by just using the Popover API, which again is completely unrelated to htmx and can be used by any frontend framework.

I assure you I know quite a bit more than you when it comes to htmx and progressive enhancement, having built multiple progressively enhanced htmx apps that work almost exactly the same without JS.

[troupo]

> Hamburger menu on the htmx.org site using JavaScript has nothing to do with htmx the framework itself, they’re completely unrelated.

Yup, the unworking hamburger menu on the website preaching about progressive enhancement and built entirely with this framework "has nothing to do with htmx".

All examples on HTMX site that we're told will just work "with full page reload" and that don't work also have nothing to do with HTMX.

HTMX is magical progressive enhancement "The things work, albeit with a full page load" somehow are broken on HTMX site itself and on most sites built with it, but all this also has nothing to do with it. Because "things just work"

[yawaramin]

The htmx website is full of demos showing how htmx works. Htmx is a JavaScript framework. Unsurprisingly, some of these demos don’t work when JavaScript is turned off. This thread is getting absurd now.

[troupo]

A reminder. I was told things just work: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49071380

And now you're repeating what I already said and somehow pretending it's an argument with something I didn't say.

[yawaramin]

No, you were told ‘the things work’, with progressive enhancement. Like many frontend things, progressive enhancement isn’t automatic with htmx. But it’s relatively easy and best of all works with any web server, not just JavaScript backends. Your criticism is basically that it’s not perfect, so it’s worthless. No, it works great for many use cases. And your judgement is clouded by your biases.

[troupo]

Let's see the fuller context:

>> Which is also besides the point of discussing whether or not HTMX invents its own templating, DSL, and requires the server to be aware of HTMX to to work properly. reply

> The things work, albeit with a full page load. As one of the ancestor comments said: progressive enhancement.

Oh. It turns out things don't work, neither on HTMX's own site, nor on most sites built with it.

Why do you keep arguing theory when reality is right there for anyone to see?

> Your criticism is basically that it’s not perfect, so it’s worthless.

No. My criticism is that HtMX authors and proponents keep presenting HTMX as something it objectively isn't despite actual verifiable reality.

I literally said what I mean in my first comment which started this pointless thread.

As I said in a sibling comment:

At this point I'm tired of pointless arguing with reality-denying people. Adieu.