[shimman]

Might surprise people to learn but the law isn't the final arbiter on what is moral or just. The law only decides what is legal and as we've seen over our lived history as humans, many "legal" things may not be those we want society to uphold.

[TeMPOraL]

It's not really a surprise to many here, but we don't want to go back there too often, because that topic is well trodden - the intellectual property in its current form is far worse offender against "what is moral or just" than anything LLM companies ever did.

In fact, the whole problem of shredding books (destructive format-shifting) was created by copyright laws in the first place, and that in itself is a concession hard won against the IP establishment - and all that way before LLMs became a thing.

[ShinyLeftPad]

> the intellectual property in its current form is far worse offender

It absolutely is... for LLM operators. For the rest of us it's a minor nuisance.

In fact, it is pretty just for the rest of us. because if it was observed by the spirit then we would either not see this tech pushing people out of jobs OR those people would be entitled to pay,

[phoghed]

Yes IP theft and fair use are discussing legality, not morality. Whether or not it’s moral for someone to make money off somebody else’s labor or Reddit comments, I don’t want to get into a discussion about personally.

[roarcher]

The comment you originally replied to was clearly discussing morality. You don't get to insert your little "erm, ackshually" and then pretend to be a neutral observer.

[phoghed]

lmao no it’s not

[rc5150]

Okay, then step aside while others discuss the morality.

[phoghed]

You don’t seem to be doing so, but I eagerly await your doubtless profound and unique insights on the topic.

> step aside

Isn’t that what I explicitly just did in the comment you replied to?

[HedonicEscal8r]

Yup, and IP theft is morally good. Are we not on HackerNews?

[tancop]

no, we have always been on law-abiding-citizen-except-when-its-white-collar-crime news. the only moral problem here is people cant decide if copyright landlords or ai scammers are better for their portfolio.