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by mrtksn 1 day ago
To be fair, all high end chips are made in Asia with EU tooling. US happens to be the place where the managers are and the trade is facilitated. There has been some good progress to push Asia make cips in USA with EU machines however IIRC significant part of the chain is still in Asia and chips made in USA are shipped to Asia for further processing.

Edit: changed China with Asia to distance the comment from Taiwan-China based politics.
3 comments
wasfgwp 1 day ago
> US happens to be the place where the managers

And you know.. the actual design for plenty of these chips. By that definition Apple is also an Asian company..

> with EU tooling

That is only a (vital) part of the supply chain, there are plenty of other components.

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mrtksn 1 day ago
IMHO the moral of the story is that no one particular makes the chips, humanity does it collectively.
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norman784 1 day ago
AFAIK the high end chips are made in Taiwan, that's not the same. Also there was an export control, so ASML couldn't sell the latest equipment to China.
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mrtksn 1 day ago
Officially, according to USA, Taiwan is China but this is pedantic. Let's call it Asia instead of going into China-Taiwan politics
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zer00eyz 1 day ago
> To be fair, all high end chips are made in China with EU tooling.

Did you mean Taiwan? Because depending on who you ask that is, or is not china.

The Chinese have been cut off from EU tooling for a while now. And their attempts to build out their own lithography setups have been a failure. Their 7nm process is, by all measures, not delivering the yields that one would need to make it really successful.

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mrtksn 1 day ago
No I don't mean anything related to politics of China-Taiwan. I have no interest in that.
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pmxi 1 day ago
Clearly you do, given you expressly maintain that China includes Taiwan (an uncommon opinion)?
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throw293745 1 day ago
Taiwan's official name is Republic of China.

The other China's official name is People's Republic of China.

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mrtksn 1 day ago
You know what, it's not something I know anything about but it seems like the "Taiwan is not part of China" folks are annoying and I haven't met the opposite kind so I guess I lean towards Taiwan is part of China now, giving the benefit of doubt to the other side of the flag war.
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