[vessenes]

Presumably lots of stuff wrapped in 'unsafe'. I'm not a rust guy or a rust fan, and the last time I wrote something with Rust was like 7 years ago, but to my memory, because of how Rust manages mutability there are many access patterns that are Rust-specific; idiomatic Rust is going to use this patterns but they would be unlikely to show up in a language with a different type system / borrow checker / etc. etc.

[irishcoffee]

So "unidiomatic" rust means, 'don't use these parts of the language even though they're first-class citizens?'

How odd. Lot of mental gymnastics going on there.

[flohofwoe]

The Bun author himself writes that the port is not idiomatic Rust:

    Do the rewrite that looks like we transpiled our Zig code to Rust. We can gradually refactor it to reduce unsafe usage and look more like idiomatic Rust after Bun v1.4 ships.

(from: https://bun.com/blog/bun-in-rust)

The original version of Bun was already a line-by-line (manual) port of esbuild from Go to Zig (also mentioned in this post), so the Zig code already wasn't "Zig-idiomatic" and apparently riddled with problems. That doesn't inspire much confidence in the LLM-translated Rust version tbh.

[skeledrew]

> That doesn't inspire much confidence in the LLM-translated Rust version tbh.

And yet Claude Code, which is the primary consumer, continues to chug away without any issue (that I, as a fairly heavy user, have encountered).

[williamdclt]

> "unidiomatic" rust means, 'don't use these parts of the language even though they're first-class citizens?'

that is indeed a roughly accurate definition of what "unidiomatic" means

[tribaal]

It's mostly the same in any general purpose programming language though, parts of the language features are meant (or became seens as) tools to be used in very narrow cases, which people less familiar with the language tend to "overuse".

Eg. goto/jump, bare "except" statements in python, etc... In Rust, unsafe has its uses and is a first class language feature, but it certainly isn't idiomatic to use it to mimic access patterns from other languages (unless absolutely necessary).

[ModernMech]

It means "don't misuse parts of the language in ways that circumvent best practices" one of which is "keep unsafe regions as small and few as possible" not "never use unsafe"

[vessenes]

Meh. The (a major?) goal of Rust is this sort of type safety flowing down to memory bugs. Not every possible access pattern was known at the beginning, and generally they developed a philosophy of keeping the "unsafe" memory access patterns extremely bounded and heavily inspected. I think that's a fair and admirable goal.