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by carlosjobim 2 days ago
The old school way was to go away somewhere else in summer.

There is no replacement for air conditioning. It's a modern marvel. People who hate it should also refuse to have heating in winter.

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The old school way where? And for what class of people? The working class weren't moving for the summer.

Further I put a jumper on in the winter, have insulation in my house, have curtains etc to keep heat in. What's wrong with having passive ways of keeping warm or cool?

The old-school way of dealing with excess heat or excess cold was to go somewhere else. People have been doing that for thousands of years. And yes, workers would also leave the cities and go stay with their relatives in the cooler countryside.

There's nothing wrong with the passive ways, when they are enough.

Ah the entire population of Spain moved to the UK every summer and back in winter. That must be the immigrant invasion that Reform are screeching about.
Or maybe just from the cities to the seaside....

https://blog.myheritage.com/2018/08/good-old-summertime-our-...

If we’re talking about mass seasonal exodus, then this is an entirely recent phenomenon in southern Europe, post-WW2. So depends on OP’s definition of “old-school”.
Also before WWII. Nomadic tribes have followed the seasons for thousands of years.

And before industrialization, cities were administrative centers and not production centers. The king or ruler and all the elite would go away in the summer to escape the heat, and then there wasn't much reason for everyone else to stay in town. And it didn't cost money to go stay with your relatives in the countryside or seaside. But you'd probably have to help out with farm work.

You seem to be hellbent on marketing AC. I don't understand why it has to be a polarizing issue.

Clearly it is much different than heating in winter; the latter is a matter of survival, while the former is mostly a matter of comfort.

One could indeed argue that in the precarious state we are in, expending energy for unnecessary comfort should be minimized, something that passive designs can aid.

As we also try to minimize energy expenditure of heating, through insulation and other passive means.

People literally die of heat exhaustion and legislation is being discussed now about mandatory AC in care homes. You and others on the "AC is far right" brigade are the polarising commentators here, not us.
I have absolutely no problems with AC when necessary, but I do have problems with unnecessary energy consumption in a warming planet.

I do not think AC preference has anything to do with political beliefs, and I despise the "us and them" tribal mentality.

But that circles back to my original comment: Should people use only the absolutely minimum heating needed to survive, or is it okay if they have some comfort also?

You can survive the winter in a house with a 5 centigrade temperature by putting on a lot of clothing and continuously drinking hot tea, huddling together under thick blankets. So would you have a problem with those who heat their houses more than that on this warming planet?

I think you are the only person polarizing here.

There really is nothing "unnecessary" about the comfort of AC. Just like there isn't anything unnecessary about the comfort of heating in winter. People can at worst die without it, and they do. When your environment is uncomfortable, that is your body telling you that the environment is wrong, and it has millions of years of wisdom.

Agreed. Interesting to see the HN echo chamber of downvotes in full force on this subject of what is efficient modern technology. AC is civilised and a huge quality of life improvement, I won't be uncomfortable and miserable in summer if I can afford not to be.