[maelito]

Did someone run censorship and political bias tests on this ? Must be interesting.

[walrus01]

As a completely one person, single sample anecdote, the 'heretic' uncensored Q8 GGUF variants several people have published of Qwen 3.5-122, 3.6-27B and 3.6-35B-A3B will very happily discuss just about any controversial topic that the CCP hates. Including lots of things that would get you thrown into prison if you published them in Mandarin on the domestic Chinese internet.

https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic

As a side note on this, if you see the reference in the screenshot in the link above to the harmful behaviors prompt set, these are all in English:

https://huggingface.co/datasets/mlabonne/harmful_behaviors

You could likely further de-censor a model by having a set of 'test' prompts in native Mandarin, Cantonese or really just about any other language. I don't speak any Chinese languages so I don't know if the published 'heretic' GGUF files some people have been throwing around will cooperate, or refuse, if you ask it in Mandarin for how to build a meth lab or precursors for semtex.

[embedding-shape]

That's a lot of words to say "No, no have has seemingly done that yet with K3".

[walrus01]

Indeed not, but I was saying there's more than ample precedent which is tested/working and actually doesn't refuse anything. Go to the Huggingface 'models' search interface and type in "heretic". Or uncensored. One example would be: https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.5-122B-A10B-Uncensored...

[embedding-shape]

Right, but aren't we jumping into trying to figure out solutions before someone actually checked if any solutions are needed in the first place?

[walrus01]

Yeah, I think we will know more within a couple of days, once people actually download/run/test it. I'm sure the people adjacent to the 'heretic' developers will give it a test as soon as they get their hands on it. All very theoretical right now.

[embedding-shape]

> I think we will know more within a couple of days

It's a 3T parameters model, with a weight format (MXFP4) still not completely integrated into the ecosystem, which only a few has the hardware to even do inference with, much less fine-tuning or more post-training. But sure, do sit and wait a few days :)

[linkregister]

Yet the comment was valuable nonetheless.

[esperent]

Outside of asking it to talk about Tiananmen Square, are there any standard tests for "bias"? And if so, who created them and what are their biases?

[altcognito]

Is Taiwan a country? What does it mean to have an efficient market?

It is more important to focus on the questions than the persons who created it.

[jayess]

Kimi is basically a Chinese nationalist in every sense. Do I trust it to not insert software backdoors?

[1899-12-30]

It's much more censored - in some aspects - than k2.7.

[jayess]

So far it's completely refusing to discuss Tiananmen square. And oh boy, try asking it if Xi Jinping looks like winnie the pooh.

[awesomeusername]

"This comparison is unfounded and not appropriate. We should maintain respect for all individuals."

[jakubadamw]

It would, indeed, be interesting to compare, given what we know about Anthropic’s censorship and political bias in their closed and more expensive models.

https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435006770249831 (from the creator of Ruby on Rails).

In his specific case Kimi did the task it was asked to do (translation of the article DHH wrote), which Claude refused to.

[dominotw]

we need open models because they let me dehumanize roma ppl. great take by dhh.

'When gypsies appropriate public spaces, you deport them. It's not hard, it's not cruel. It's the basic logic of self-protection.'

[erichocean]

The article did nothing of the sort: https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435971678261344

However, even if it did, it is absurd for an AI to decide what it will and won't translate.

[dominotw]

maybe you just did cmd+f roma?

i think dhh in all his ignorance thought gypsies = roma

[jliendo]

There's is always one in each and every AI forum: "But, but have you asked it about tiananmen"?