[hecreto]

Not to be a downer since a lot of JEvans’ content is great. People should really give .NET a try. I don’t know if we are just old greybeard curmudgeons who look at this and go “is this a new thing? haven’t we been doing this for decades?”, but .NET out of the box with a few packages for databases, logging, etc is so pleasant you don’t even think about it. Maybe it’s just not a vocal community idk.

[Izkata]

At this point Django also qualifies as "for decades" - most (maybe all?) of what's in this post applied back when it was new. The basic design has been stable for a very long time.

[rileymat2]

To be fair, for grey beards, python predates .net and I was using Django in 2008, which predates .net mvc.

[ptx]

.NET also comes with "telemetry" built-in that sends your data to Microsoft without asking for your consent: https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145

I wouldn't want to run software from someone who thinks taking such liberties with my machine and my data is OK.

> so pleasant you don’t even think about it

I'm sure Microsoft would prefer that people don't think about Microsoft is doing to them. But when do you think about it, you might reconsider using Microsoft software.

[miki123211]

agreed 100%, the most under-appreciated programming ecosystem of them all.

It's also the only one that has support for making truly native apps for all four major platforms: Windows, Linux, MacOS and iOS. If you're willing to put in the work and make separate, native UIs for each, C# is the only way to go.

It's a rich enough language that it binds reasonably well to both Java (on Android) and Objective C / Swift (on iOs / MacOS), and having the core and UI layers of your app share the same language enables much higher fidelity bindings than what you can get out of E.G. UniFFI. And as a bonus, the same core is also re-usable on the server, and even in Web Assembly, if that's the way you want to go.

There used to be some issues around Storyboards and such on Apple platforms, but if you go nibless (which you should anyway in the age of AI), that's no longer a problem.

[ptx]

How is this different from any other language? Python can also make apps for all those platforms, either with native UIs or cross-platform UIs. There are many options.

Are you talking about .NET's AOT compilation and that's why you say "truly native"?

[dnautics]

> under-appreciated programming ecosystem

idk, for a long time nswag was the openapi framework and it was atrocious and had many core issues that were unresolved for almost a decade. it came to where i implemented an api with something basic (i think it was multipart) and one consumer of my api asked me to change the api because nswag couldn't handle it. i told them to pr a fix to nswag (they didn't).