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by qdotme 7 days ago
Because gallon of fuel weighs 6lbs!

As a scientist and an adult immigrant to the US, I came to appreciate both systems as useful for different objectives.

Celsius/Metric is neatly rooted in science - where it truly shines by removing /most/ of the conversion factors (but does it? we still have, today, speed of light that should be 1, Avogadro and Boltzmann constants are just odd numbers you memorize too) - but doesn't match neither everyday weather and life (0F being "coldest you'll experience in a place humans commonly live" and 100F being "hotest", and close to wet bulb temperature and, through a fluke of an undiagnosed fever of Fahrenheits' wife, nice threshold for fever).

Fahrenheit/Imperial is actually relatively convenient to machining, industry and agriculture (but not engineering or science) - how much of that is actually fractional measurements (1/16th makes a ton more sense than 0.0625), and how much are the "fingertip/decent meal/daily water intake/sustains a person" idea of an inch/lb/gal/acre.. is quite intuitive. Far more so for composite units. 1 PSI is intuitive - you know what force to exert at what area of a piston, same for torque'ing to 80 lbs-ft.

But.. it makes a ton less sense when you separate N from kg (yeah, I am a physicist, I know why, it just makes less sense when building stuff in a dirty corner of an industrial revolution), then somehow apply it to a whole square meter to get a Pascal, and now you need decimal fractions of a million of those.. to represent what you actually see. Quick, do you think you can plug a 2cm diameter garden hose at 0.5MPa with your thumb to spray your dog?

CGS system was quite popular and useful, IMHO for that reason, at the time when Europe was actually manufacturing stuff and inventing them in barns and factories. But it was essentially "neither" - bastardization of sacred kg and meter - lost to SI.

US keeps inventing and making stuff in garages and fields.. and it shows in its devotion to imperial system. But I can see convincing mechanics to 1/8th of a cm and 40g way before I can see them taking up 1.25 mm and 0.04 kg.

2 comments

I appreciate your defence of the indefensible :P

I accept that psi is more intuitive in many cases than Pascals. But I remain unconvinced about Fahrenheit. I reside two places during the winter. One has temperatures around 0C, and the difference between -1C and +1C is much more important than the difference between -1F and +1F, it's the difference between rain or snow! The other place regularly sees temperatures around -25C. In both places -18C is just some random uninteresting temperature, letting it be 0 is... disturbing.

> 0F being "coldest you'll experience in a place humans commonly live"

It gets MUCH colder than this all the time in the northern US, let alone Canada and Alaska, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, etc.

Well, where? I live in MA, lived in NH and visited MSP quite frequently, also spent a winter in Toronto… but even a quick search suggests that in MN it “dips” to negatives Fahrenheit, occasionally, with monthly Jan averages in low single digits.

Most of inhabited Canada is a thin sliver by the US border, or coastal which stabilizes the temperature around freezing quite well. Ditto with Norway.

Can you share a good example of a large (say 500k+ metro area, the “commonly”) city that actually dips below 0F daytime regularly? Murmansk comes to mind.. maybe..

What I was responding to:

> 0F being "coldest you'll experience in a place humans commonly live"

Using US and Canada cities, here are the top 10 places at or below 0F a year:

Fairbanks, Alaska — ~115 days

Yellowknife, Northwest Territories — ~103 days

International Falls, Minnesota — ~57 days

Grand Forks, North Dakota — ~55 days

Winnipeg, Manitoba — ~52 days

Regina, Saskatchewan — ~50 days

Saskatoon, Saskatchewan — ~48 days

Fargo, North Dakota — ~42 days

Thunder Bay, Ontario — ~40 days

Williston, North Dakota — ~39 days

> Can you share a good example of a large (say 500k+ metro area

I've lived in over a dozen places in North America but only 1 time was it in a place with over 500k.

There are ~ 52 cities in the US and Canada with a pop over 500k. Those 52 cities make up 0.2% of all incorporated cities and towns. Over 75% of US towns have less than 5k people. The US is a country of small towns.