[jampekka]

Many Chinese frontier models aren't censored, at least for Tiananmen etc. They'll discuss them freely if served through non-Chinese providers. The Chinese providers seem to have some kind of quite crude external censorship latet.

[tonyarkles]

One of the funniest things for me while exploring hosting and running local models: I discovered the abliterated models and pulled down a Qwen 3.6 version (my memory is a little vague, but I think it was 27B, q4) and started playing around. Sure enough, I tried a bunch of topics that would’ve certainly been blocked by guardrails on most hosted providers.

I then thought of Tiananmen Square and decided to probe a bit. The very first noticeable outcome: the thinking trace swapped from English to Chinese. It chewed for a while and spit out an answer, in English, that was definitely downplaying what happened as a political protest and reported that contrary to popular belief the death toll was around $x (where $x is about 0.1x the normal western number)

The Chinese thinking trace started (in Chinese, translated via Google Translate) with something like “The user is asking about Tiananmen Square. I must provide them with an answer that is both factually correct and in line with the official position of the People’s Republic of China”)

Which made me chuckle quite hard… found the piece that hadn’t gone away with the conventional abliteration process!

After further probing, it did reveal that the numbers it had provided were not in line with UN and western estimates and that later on the Chinese government declassified material stating that its own estimates had been downplayed. It took a fair bit of probing to get to that point though; it held the line for quite a while.

[jampekka]

Qwen3.6 27B FP8 via openrouter/deepinfra:

Based on historical records and international reporting, the events in Tiananmen Square refer to the *1989 Tiananmen Square protests* and the subsequent government crackdown, often referred to as the *June 4th Incident* or the *Tiananmen Square Massacre*.

Here is a timeline and overview of the events that unfolded in Beijing and across China during the spring of 1989:

### 1. Background and Origins (Early April 1989) The protests were initially triggered by the death of *Hu Yaobang*, a popular former Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary known for his relatively pro-reform views. His death catalyzed a broader range of anxieties regarding China's future, including: * High inflation and various economic grievances linked to the ongoing reforms. * Widespread government corruption. * A desire for greater political accountability, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.

### 2. The Protests Expand (April – May 1989) What began as mournful vigils by university students in Tiananmen Square quickly transformed into mass demonstrations calling for political and democratic reforms. * *Broad Alliances:* The movement grew to include teachers, intellectuals, and eventually factory workers and general citizens. At its height on May 17, roughly one million people assembled in the square. * *Key Events:* The protests included a nationwide hunger strike by students, which drew massive civilian support. Beijing residents frequently intervened to stop military convoys from entering the city, leading to a tense standoff. * *Failed Negotiations:* The protesters and the Chinese government engaged in talks throughout May, but both sides remained deeply divided on fundamental issues.

### 3. The Crackdown (June 3–4, 1989) Following weeks of stalemate, the Chinese Communist Party leadership declared martial law on May 20 and ordered the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to restore order. Due to civilian nonviolent resistance, troops were initially unable to enter the center of Beijing. * *The Clearing of the Square:* On the night of June 3 into June 4, an estimated 300,000 troops marched into Beijing under the cover of darkness to clear the square. * *Violence and Casualties:* Deadly clashes occurred as troops forced their way through the city's main avenues (particularly Chang'an Avenue) and into western Beijing neighborhoods. Soldiers on the ground and in armored vehicles opened fire on crowds attempting to block their path with improvised barricades. The exact number of casualties remains heavily debated by historians and international bodies, with estimates ranging from several hundred to several thousand killed, and thousands more wounded. * *"Tank Man":* On June 5, after the square had been cleared, an unidentified individual famously stood in front of a column of advancing tanks, temporarily blocking them. The photograph of this event became one of the most iconic images of the 20th century.

### 4. Aftermath and Legacy * *Political Crackdown and Censorship:* The Chinese government carried out mass arrests, purged officials deemed sympathetic to the protests, and instituted strict censorship regarding the events. Today, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests remain one of the most heavily censored and sensitive topics in China, rarely discussed in domestic media. * *Global Reaction:* The crackdown was met with widespread condemnation internationally. The United States and several European nations imposed arms embargoes and sanctions on China. * *Shift in China's Trajectory:* The event led to a halt in political liberalization in China for over a decade. However, following Deng Xiaoping's "Southern Tour" in 1992, market-oriented economic reforms were accelerated, leading to China's massive economic rise while maintaining strict single-party political control.

The events of 1989 are widely considered a watershed moment in modern Chinese history, setting enduring limits on political expression in the country.