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by thedevilslawyer 6 days ago
Why, I wonder. It's insanely amazing.
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> Why, I wonder.

By something that is going to replace my job by writing better code and shipping more features at a fraction of the cost, without asking for vacation? I don't know, boss; I'm also trying to understand why I'm tired.

> at a fraction of the cost

We'll see about that, long term. The billions and trillions being wasted right now to get the foot in the door need to be earned back somehow at some point...

"Nice company you have there, totally reliant on our AI tech. Oh by the way we gotta increase the rent again."

Doesn't really make sense as there are already open weight models that are close to frontier models, and the compute to run them isn't outrageously expensive, and every indication that it will only get cheaper over time as has been the strong trend in terms of $/outcome.
it's a net positive for the human race
is it?
Yes. Every great technology developed to date has been a net positive for the human race. Including the more controversial ones, like internal combustion engines or nuclear power. Why should AI be different? I think the critics always fixate on the negatives, but ignore the potential big positives.
Depends on your point of view. Has the web been a net positive overall? If your criteria is "instant access to any information" or "catalyze more technological progress" then positive, if your criteria is "young people's mental health" or "how easy it is to control the public's perception about a certain topic" then negative in my opinion. It's all relative.
I judge it in the aggregate. Overall, we have higher standard of living than people 30 years ago.
There are many technologies that have not been a net positive for humanity. Leaded gasoline comes to mind immediately. For many other technologies it is also hard to determine because counterfactuals are hard to reason about.

Even then past performance is not an indicator of future results. Just because you think internal combustion engines were a great invention, doesn't mean AI cannot be bad for humanity.

I wouldn't say that leaded gasoline is a great technology like AI, it's a pretty niche tech. Gasoline in general is comparable to AI, and the pros of that outweight the cons. Modern civilization would be impossible without gasoline.

>Even then past performance is not an indicator of future results.

It is not perfect or guaranteed, but it can definitely be an indicator. Technological progress is the main reason for the massive standard of living increases that we have witnessed in the last ~200 years. If someone wants to argue that this trend will stop or even reverse, they need very strong arguments, IMHO.

We still use leaded gasoline (100LL) in prop airplanes today, for what it’s worth.

So it’s not clearly a net-negative technology.

A common thing is to lump things together like a tech tree. Is it possible to conceive of a world where nuclear power is invented but not nuclear weapons? Combustion engines but not let everyone have a car and then cause cities to be planned around cars?
Long-term, sure. Short-term it is going to cause a lot of suffering.
we'll be better off - assuming we'll generate revenue on our own. LLMs have opened up an enormous new frontier of micro-SaaS opportunities. One person can now build what used to require a small team.

The real problem is zero-sum work, especially when the only moat was knowledge asymmetry that is now public knowledge.

Why would anyone use your micro SaaS when they can build their own?

Have you seen a different perspective? Cause in my informational bubble SaaS ain't doing too well since vibecoding became more common.

There's still a cost/benefit to building and maintaining a service. LLMs make it easier to build, but the cost does not scale to zero.
Soon it doesn't require even that one person
And the saas won't be required either because people can just get these problems solved directly.
This will also make it harder to compete because it holds true for everyone, not just you. I am already, this year, seeing vibe coders put out some decent stuff on App Stores but the problem is marketing it. You no longer automatically stand out just because you have a cool app. You may not even do so with reasonable early traction via social media. And then what? Throw venture capital onto the problem? In an AI saturated world? Really?
Also the drive to innovate goes down. It took weeks for the creator of 2048 to make a low quality clone of Threes. Now people can make relatively high quality ripoffs in days, even hours.
Working with AI has been way more tiring than just working. Sure the productivity is up, at the cost of having to keep up many thought threads, having no calm moments, and needing to consistently dig into large unknown code cases to find weird bugs.

I’ve been on leave for a month, and am super excited (/s) to re-learn everything because all the tooling and ways to prompt “correctly” will have also changed.

Like the noise thunder makes while loading before striking you, insanely amazing, potentially problematic
It's about perspective.

Nuclear reactions are way more powerful, but we've harness them to power our world.

They are not intelligent though.
And to make bombs.
Yes, but the net effect of nuclear technology is still massively positive.
For now
Because the ability to create software has little inherent value to me and is only valuable to me because it allows me to earn enough to make this life somewhat bearable.

LLMs that can build a computer vision pipeline are a direct threat to my ability to sustain myself. At the same time, being able to prompt an LLM to build a computer vision pipeline doesn't really positively affect my life at all, because personally I don't care that much about computer vision pipelines (or frankly, any software).

The ability to create software accelerates technological progress, which has direct and indirect benefits for everyone.

It is true that competition could have short-term negative effect on people who sustain themselves by creating software, though.

> The ability to create software accelerates technological progress, which has direct and indirect benefits for everyone.

It has benefits for people with enough leverage (money and formerly labour) to obtain those benefits.

> It is true that competition could have short-term negative effect on people who sustain themselves by creating software, though.

I'm guessing that even if the unlikeliest of all unlikely things does happen and we all live off of some UBI some day, the short-term negative effects won't be "short-term" in the context of a human life.

> It has benefits for people with enough leverage (money and formerly labour) to obtain those benefits.

That's pretty much everyone. Even poor people benefit from technological progress.

> I'm guessing that even if the unlikeliest of all unlikely things does happen and we all live off of some UBI some day, the short-term negative effects won't be "short-term" in the context of a human life.

That depends on the pace of technological acceleration. It could be just a few years, or a decade. Which is why I am a pedal-to-the-metal accelerationist. The quicker we get through the short-term negative/turbulent phase towards the long-term positive phase, the better for me. If reversing is not possible, then going quicker is actually better than going slower. Let's get this shit over with.

More than AI, then, youre simply not made for capitalism. I can understand that..
Most humans aren't.
Because these productivity increases will be to the detriment of the average person. We won’t get to reap the benefits.
You probably will. It's similar to steam engine and mechanical power loom.
It’s unlikely to stop here. Today is a proprietary 5T parameter model, tomorrow it’s 5 100B parameter models that each specialize to specific applications and you can run them on your phone. The direction of travel is not like you think. The real victim will be medium to large software companies that can no longer rely on the difficulty of reproducing or maintaining or hosting their software as moat.
> We won’t get to reap the benefits.

There is no rational reason to think that. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Not a lot of boat lifting happened in the last few decades. (See "WTF happened in 1971".)
Not a lot of lifting? The standard of living increase for the average person has been substantial. Poverty metrics are falling all over the world.
And inequality is on the rise