[echelon]

I don't get it either. I clicked their link to the other person's complaint, too - I still do not understand.

Almost every product I build pre-populates user avatars from Gravatar as the optional first personalization hook. It's a nice feature.

Also fuck this bit:

> I know a lot of people also think that Matt Mullenweg's recent statements about WordPress, open source, and other companies have been problematic.

Matt's company did 99% of the work on WordPress and newcomer WP Engine came in and took everything without contributing any code back. They also gobbled up 50% of the market share. The license means WP Engine can do that, but it doesn't make what WP Engine did ethical. Fuck WP Engine and people that do shit like that. Makes me hate OSI purism. It's not unlike what AWS and GCP do to starve Redis, Elastic, etc. of their revenue streams, meanwhile their entire platforms are closed source.

[jemmyw]

They didn't take anything, they just sell it hosted. And surely they only got 50% of the market share by doing a better job of it? I also note they have some contributions, for example they seem to be the developers of faustjs.org so they can't be totally absent from contributing?

[echelon]

This is why open source as outlined by the OSI is unsustainable. The dipshits calling from the sidelines remove economic reward from those who do all the work.

"Group A" does all the work, then "Group B" moves in and contributes nothing and just leeches.

It's not like the proprietary bits of WP Engine are open. They're not idealists. They're opportunists.

Google and Amazon do the same thing. They love to cheerlead OSI. They sit on the board. They invented this school of thought and advocate it, because it benefits them.

Now think of all the harms Google and Amazon have perpetuated off the back of "open source".

Are the moneymaking pieces of their platforms open? Fuck no they're not, because they're not idiots and they've got the lot of you blinded with religious fanaticism about a license that does not benefit you in the macro.

Screw all of this OSI purism. Fair Source, Open Code, Shareware, and "do not compete" are better.

We need healthy medium sized companies to claw back power from hyperscalers and provide employment to all the people the big giants are laying off and offshoring.

You guys are looking at the small picture. Zoom out.

[HappMacDonald]

Stallman?