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by lovich 4 days ago
> FDA says...

This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it? Do we need to give them the benefit of the doubt despite how many times they lie?

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> This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it?

At this point they've lied enough that the assumption should just always be "They're probably lying again. I need more evidence / facts / details if this is a thing I care about at all." Honestly though, I'm at a point where I simply won't trust much anything anymore without seeing / hearing more (provably true) facts first. Lying / deceit has just become far too common / accepted / normalized these days.

The press seems to think that someone who lies whenever their lips are moving deserves an elevated platform.
This is the same argument that the anti-vaxers had about the COVID vaccine.

My only advice is to become a domain expert or have friends who are domain experts.

No, it’s not.

During the COVID pandemic situations we’re evolving quickly and the admin admitted they were wrong previously or had updated their views based on new information.

If you ask this admin about their obviously incorrect or fallacious statements their response is to call you a nasty person or piggy and then double down on the lies.

Don't gaslight.

It was very possible at the beginning of COVID that it was an airborne virus. However the CDC proclaimed that there was no evidence, therefore no one should wear masks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-reverses-agai...

>In March 2020, as the pandemic began, Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to the president of the United States, explained in a 60 Minutes interview that he felt community use of masks was unnecessary. A few months later, he argued that his statements were not meant to imply that he felt the data to justify the use of cloth masks was insufficient. Rather, he said, had he endorsed mask wearing (of any kind), mass panic would ensue and lead to a surgical and N95 mask shortage among health care workers, who needed the masks more.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-...

There was also the messaging that the vaccine did not cause myocarditis.

>This obvious error was compounded weeks later during a meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The committee met to discuss what we knew and did not know about heart inflammation, or myocarditis, that had been linked to mRNA vaccination, and most notable in young men who received the vaccine.

I agree that the current administration is bad but I can't call it worse because the prior administration worked to illegally censor it's critics.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115561/documents/...

The administrative agencies response to the pandemic was very telling, there were multiple large conversations here with lots of comments about how we were being lied to.

Cool, so they admitted to falsehoods or updating. This admin does not.

The anti vaxxers and people not trusting this admin are not equivalent

You're initial comment was:

>> FDA says... >This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it? Do we need to give them the benefit of the doubt despite how many times they lie?

The fact of the matter is that both sets of officials lied.

Fauci only admitted to lying when he was brought in front of congress and there was a chance they were going to prosecute him if he lied to them.

We will see what this admin does if they ever get brought up to task.

Fauci thought his intentions were noble.

RFK Jr. believes the same I am sure.

Doesn't make either of them right, understanding why the other side is/was upset is the first step to fixing the problem.

If you can't see the equivalence between saying don't trust the government because it's lying and don't trust the government because it's lying there is nothing that will convince you.

And you said

> This is the same argument that the anti-vaxers had about the COVID vaccine.

It’s not the same argument because one group is a true believer who will never admit fault. The other isnt. There is no equivalence to people who believe in anti vaxx ideology and people who don’t believe in RFK jr.