[swingandamiss]

> It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens

There's nothing "open" about China. Google, meta, openai, etc all blocked. Go visit and see how it goes when you try to access your gmail or open facebook. Try to use chatgpt. Try to get citizenship and see how that goes. China blocks many western companies with their great firewall and force internal similar products. This is smart, China wants to prioritize their own.

[smallmancontrov]

Your examples are the typical case, which is why OpenAI being closed and Kimi/DeepSeek/Qwen being open is topsy-turvy.

[plufz]

Im guessing parent meant more open in this particular case, i.e open weight models vs closed cloud hosted. Obviously china is not an open country.

[klik99]

He means specifically open vs closed AI model development, and how that’s topsy-turvy for the reasons you mention.