[roenxi]

> ...the issue is Chinese models, whether open or not, and that's what's looking to be banned...

Is the US planning to invade China and take away their models? Because otherwise China is still going to have the models even if the US bans them. I don't think they're going to be going with the US position on this one.

[fidotron]

It's the same patronizing nonsense as when all the US webcos pulled out of the Chinese market in some misguided supposed protest believing the Chinese so incapable of rolling their own Google, Amazon or WhatsApp they will come begging the americans to go back. Now the western tech universe goes to China for ideas.

[lenerdenator]

If by "pulled out of the Chinese market" you mean "were hacked by the Chinese government in a way that compromised their intellectual property and the safety of dissidents", then yes [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora

[fidotron]

The point is did the US reaction work or was it completely counter productive?

Then will attempting to cutoff China again today work or do we expect that also will prove to achieve the exact opposite of what its proponents are claiming?

[lenerdenator]

We didn't cut off anything. American companies would have been more than happy to continue offering products and services in the Chinese market.

The Chinese government didn't like that idea. They attacked American companies, stole the IP, and created their own analogs of American corporate offerings. If you are a company and are targeted by a totalitarian government, it's not unreasonable to pull out of that totalitarian government's jurisdiction.

Honestly, the American response to that was not nearly stout enough. Chinese goods and services had been sold in the US without issue for decades at that point, often to the detriment of both domestic and other international market players. When China was expected to play by those rules and allow American companies to do business in a mostly-unfettered way, they attacked the companies and drove them out of their market.

[fidotron]

> When China was expected to play by those rules and allow American companies to do business in a mostly-unfettered way, they attacked the companies and drove them out of their market.

This deserves to be pinned in the eternal HN hall of shame for absolutely staggering blind hypocrisy.

[lenerdenator]

Okay, how? Show sources please.

Here's mine. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora

[satvikpendem]

Banned in the US, obviously, not worldwide. The problem is if the US wanted to, they actually could enforce such a ban nearly worldwide, by putting Chinese AI companies on a sanctions list and disallowing any US company (or anyone that does business with a US company, which is much of the world) from touching them.

[2cynykyl]

This is the most insightful comment on this subject I've read yet. I hadn't put those pieces together.

[satvikpendem]

It's been talked about before, it's what essentially happened to Huawei.