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by fidotron 5 days ago
The people struggling with this most are also the ones that never got to grips with human delegation either.

At least in my circle it's the classic leads/seniors (that predate the scrum "everyone's the same" thing) that are managing to get the most real mileage out of this.
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prohobo 3 days ago
It's clear to me now that the lack of benchmarks for competence in this space means everyone thinks they're geniuses who don't need a better process, because apparently their workflow "works for them."

Not sure what to say to any of this, because it's not even really related to the article except to say the assumption is supposedly completely wrong. That doesn't make sense to me, because as soon as AWS or something important goes down everyone immediately blames vibe coding.

So which is it? Is process completely solved here ("just get gud"), or is coding with agents causing problems?

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azinman2 4 days ago
But when you lead there’s a level of trust in the people who are going to implement. You may still have a high level view of what’s going on, but that’s different from sweating the details. It also is different from bottoms up building those details where consequences become clear in thought.

I’ve noticed the pressure to keep velocity and move forward means I’m less sure of those details compared to before. LLMs are also inconsistent in the work they do - some of it is brilliant, other parts are idiotic. It’s totally different than what you’d get when leading humans.

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fidotron 4 days ago
> But when you lead there’s a level of trust in the people who are going to implement.

"Trust but verify". This is why you have QA processes, testing, checklists etc. All the sanity checks that got thrown away in the web tech rush pre-AI.

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azinman2 4 days ago
Sure, but that doesn’t mean you understand the details of implementation.
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fidotron 4 days ago
You state this as if the only way you personally would manage this would be to craft each line yourself after deep contemplation, which may be true for you.

But it's not a universal at all. You have to apply engineering thinking to human and LLM organization, and part of the damage caused by scrum has been to ignore this entirely. How can you produce a system where you can bound the output to be what is understood? It must be possible because managers all over the earth do it all the time.

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