[Towaway69]

Howabout: just turn off AI.

I scanned the article, never made it to the bottom, didn’t find the point the author was trying to make.

Howabout just learning to code better as a human without using AI. Just like learning a craft. Just refuse to use AI. Not possible because of peer pressure? Well then stop worrying and continue to vibe.

Either stop or stop complaining but don’t make excuses or write long articles that ramble and rant … sorry but I don’t understand what’s so hard about stopping.

[boguscoder]

It might not be so much of a peer pressure than “industry pressure” soon. You can keep hand-crafting it all you want as a hobby, but selling your crafts will be totally different matter

[Towaway69]

Industry consists of humans, humans can change this collectively. It's still peer pressure. If you don't resist, don't complain.

You won't be able to sell your craft, correct. That means keep your day job. If your day job requires vibe coding, then that becomes your day job. If you don't like it, quit. Live on the street and by your moral beliefs. Or else, sell your soul.

That's the stark choice that plenty of folks have faced and will face. There is nothing special about being a coder anymore - welcome to the factory floor.

[nojvek]

AIs aren’t magically writing good code. I still have to prompt the biggest model towards a coherent design. DRY code isn’t their strong suite. They don’t give a shit about maintainable human readable code.

RLVR training rewards for achieving some objective. Even if they achieve by writing 1000 lines when a 100 suffices.

There’s a ton of value in writing maintainable code for a complex production system.

AIs are great at POC YOLO coding.

[adamtaylor_13]

This article wasn't written for folks who just want to "turn it off". If that's you, by all means do so.

New people coming into the field will likely not have the privilege of deciding how much/little to use AI, just like I didn't really get a choice about whether I wanted to use CI or wanted to SSH straight into prod to deploy. As the industry changes, you change with it if you like being a hire-able professional.

This article was written for the folks that are interested in using AI while shaving off some of the sharper corners.

It is unfortunately wasted on people who believe you can just stuff cats back into bags.

[krater23]

The fear that I have that I end up in a team that don't care that I hand code my stuff and let their shit everywhere in the code, so that hand coding isn't possible anymore in a team. It's the same with frameworks. Building a webinterface with a framework is really easy, but the result is just bullshit compared to plain php. It looks good, but your load und wait time goes straight up.

[Towaway69]

Plenty of people don't care, they don't care because they don't like their boss, they don't like the company, they don't like the product, they don't like themselves. AI and vibe coding is just another excuse.

Professionalism and being a professional means accepting the situation and getting on with the job.

After all, that's why folks get paid: to forget the pain of being stuck in a shit job, eight hours a day, fives days a week (if not more), until they're 65 - 9 to 5, to 65 - 925265, I use that as my passcode just to remind myself.

[unknownfuture]

Maybe try reading the article instead of scanning it.

Its neither ranting nor rambling, nor is it complaining or making excuses. It pokes holes in common patterns around agentic coding (e.g. SDD, TDD, etc) and identifies two interesting new approaches, one which they're building.

The piece took ten minutes to read. Surely focus isn't that hard to come by.

[fernie]

Someone wrote about a practice they called "rawdog Thursdays".

That is every Thursday they write all their code without any AI assistant (not even the AI inline code suggestions).

Allows them to maintain their craft and keep their codebase human maintainable, while still benefitting from the productivity boost of SOTA AI agents.