[giancarlostoro]

You must not talk to other developers ;)

But seriously, sometimes its not the code, it's the human factor that's painful, other times, well it's JavaScript.

[RattlesnakeJake]

Or at least the culture around JavaScript .

I love writing JavaScript. I like React well enough. I'm not sold on NodeJS, though I'll accept that its struggles are no different than any other package manager.

I just wish the whole thing would stand still for a minute. It's seriously exhausting to keep up with all of the deprecations, rewrites, new "best" frameworks, etc.

[Toutouxc]

How is Node a package manager?

[RattlesnakeJake]

Fair. NPM is the part I actually distrust.

That said, I'm not sure it's necessary to make a distinction. I can't imagine many teams are using NodeJS (particularly with React or the like) without buying into the package ecosystem.