[Striving7340]

Apologies if "worship" came across as calling you a cult, but it doesn't seem that you took what I said too seriously either. Good luck on ATProto, certainly don't want to deal with this kind of replies from you or Dan every time criticism or concerns come up, maybe once the protocol leaves BlueSky, but let me guess, it's planned for some point in the far future like every other concern?

[polymer8563]

Seriously, the entire separation of Bluesky from ATProto not happening is my main reason for not trusting it at all. You can't have a protocol owned by a for-profit entity and seriously call it "open"

[steveklabnik]

https://atproto.com/blog/kicking-off-the-atp-working-group

https://docs.bsky.app/blog/plc-directory-org

[polymer8563]

None of these make ATProto removed from Bluesky, the working group scope is not clear from the article either.

[blackqueeriroh]

Huh.

Tell that to LSP, QUIC, SPDY, GraphQL, WebRTC, BitTorrent, HTTP/2, and other protocols.

I guess they weren’t “open” either for the first 5-10 years of their existence either?

Weird.

[inigyou]

Yes? Correct?

[blackqueeriroh]

You guys are really confused about what atproto has to do with Bluesky and how much of the protocol is developed by or managed through Bluesky.

It really seems you all think the only company or community doing anything on atproto is Bluesky, when that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Have you even paid attention to what’s happening lately?

[inigyou]

Well the whole protocol relies on a "PLC server". There can only be one and guess who owns it.

[verdverm]

I think a more potent example is who controls the source for the spec and official implementations. This is a notable lack of community governance around this part. In this sense, Bluesky can and does change things at will. I have experienced breaking changes from their devs changing how things work and merging their own PRs in a matter of minutes, while not using versions. (indigo)

When it comes to private/permissioned data, Bluesky people have decided the shape it will take while not participating in the conversation until they shared their already decided upon design. They are letting the community give feedback, but the community never was able to participate in the design phase.

[whyrusleeping]

Who owns it?

[inigyou]

Blue Sky. Jack Dorsey.

[whyrusleeping]

Is it?

https://docs.bsky.app/blog/plc-directory-org