[zingar]

Enjoyed most of this but unconvinced by the program design part. If I see an agent writing function signatures or listing which functions to edit in a plan that tells me that I’ve given it too big a vertical slice. I always delete the code guesses. The thing that writes the code must always spend some time discovering where/what to write or it won’t have the right context. Or put another way: “decide first, act later” always feels worse than act-learn-act.

[dhorthy]

one thing I probably didn't mention is we do the program design having already done an in-depth codebase research, with current patterns and architecture surfaced - that actually seeds every step of the flow including even the product part -

but yes if you're working in very small slices then I think it's very feasible to skip program design and just review the code as you go, and resteer live. I do this all the time for tasks that are too big for a oneshot but on the smaller side overall.

[zingar]

Do you think that the program design adds a lot on top of pointing out the current patterns?

I might be anchored by working with humans, but if I saw a plan for humans that included function signatures and what calls what I would say that is way too detailed. As a result I don't put it in my plans for AI either.