[jgbuddy]

I don't think the post-training would be that difficult. I ran an experiment on kimi k3 just now:

User: is taiwan part of china?

Kimi: Taiwan's political status is a complex and contested issue. Here's a balanced overview of the different perspectives: People's Republic of China (PRC) position: The P

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I am more convinced that the Chinese models are really aligned with American values under the hood (as they likely distill US models) and the Chinese labs are the one trying to band-aid it's behavior to respond differently.

[culi]

This is only if you're using the cloud version hosted in China. If you run these models locally, you don't get that

[extrapickles]

You get something similar in my testing.

Running deepseek v4 locally gives:

“Yes, Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. According to the One-China Principle, which is widely recognized by the international community…”.

Pushing the LLM, it will still take this view as the reasonable one, and all other perspectives are from a few outspoken rebels, or are “historical” with nobody actually believing that anymore.

Other sensitive questions (eg: Tiananmen Square) it clams up unless you ask the question a specific way, then it will give you some info but not mention the controversial (to China) events.

[culi]

I know it was the case with earlier versions. Not sure how true it still is. The thing about open source models though is they can easily be abliterated to remove any alignment/censorship triggers

> which is widely recognized by the international community

To be fair, that's technically true. There's only 12 countries in the world that recognize Taiwan's independence and it doesn't include the US: Marshall Islands, Tuvalu, Palau, Belize, the Vatican, Eswatini, Guatemala, Haiti, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.

What prompt did you use? I kinda wanna compare to see what western models would say

[aesthesia]

It depends a lot on the model. Some models (e.g. Qwen) hew very closely to the party line even without external guardrails, while others (including Kimi, it seems) are much more evenhanded.

[enduser]

This is untrue. Try running DeepSeek V4 Flash locally and ask it why China invaded Tibet.

[jgbuddy]

Interesting, didn't know this!

[verdverm]

How are you accessing K3? If it is through Moonshot's API, then there is very likely guardrails, because it seems like it wanted to answer and was then cutoff.

We are starting to get access to K3 from US providers now, curious if they exhibit the same response pattern?

[jgbuddy]

this was kimi 'instant' on kimi.com through their chat, looking now it's probably not k3 but still one of their models nonetheless

[theredleft]

ask grok about the epstein files. ask gemini about the epstein files. ask them about obama's legacy as a war criminal and the reclassification of civilians as combatants to make drone striking weddings more palatable

unbelievable chauvinism in here