[Levitz]

Yes they only care about money. That's what corporations usually do.

And I'll take that 10 times out of 10 over China's role in all of this, which is specifically to disrupt and sabotage the rest.

I can trust Anthropic and OpenAI to have economic interests. I can't trust the same from Chinese companies, which I can actually trust to have geopolitic interests.

[SimianSci]

This has more to do with two seperate approaches to innovation. One which favors a small handful of firms establishing full control over a monopoly on the market. And another favoring the wilderness of free market economics.

The only country with anything to gain or lose here is the United States because it decided to play the game of market domination. Either it ends up with market domination and wins, or it doesnt and loses. China's result will remain what its set out to do, which is to create a technology that will support millions of small bespoke companies unbeholden to a larger firm serving all sectors of the economy.

[commoner]

I have no reason to care about the interests of these companies. My interests are best served with a competitive selection of open weights models available for my use.

OpenAI has the year-old GPT-OSS, and Anthropic has never released any open weights models. Meanwhile, other companies are delivering a steady stream of high-quality open weights models every month, and I'm not going to stop using them just because some other people don't like the country they were developed in.

[dd8601fn]

I can’t say this enough…

Expect the tap on open models to slow and eventually disappear.

They don’t exist for altruistic reasons. It’s peculiar to current conditions.

[commoner]

Unlike Claude Fable, once an open weights model is released, it's available forever (or at least until every copy is lost or deleted, which won't be soon).

Open weights models are already great, and the ones that are already released will continue to be just as good as they are today even if newer versions are released at a different speed in the future.

[dd8601fn]

A year from now we won’t care that today’s qwen is good enough for some stuff. But yes, it’ll still be available.

[Levitz]

>My interests are best served with a competitive selection of open weights models available for my use.

Which is why Chinese companies use people like you.

Sorry for being blunt but if you think this policy would continue in a scenario in which they are hegemonic you are extremely delusional.

Also:

>I'm not going to stop using them just because some other people don't like the country they were developed in.

This is not a serious sentence, but a preposterous, straw-manning assertion to make, and it borders on the insult.

[Alpha3031]

As we all know, the US is entirely free of geopolitical interests, which is why there was a US–Japan trade war in the late 80s.