[Tenoke]

I am very pro open source models - I use them every single day.. But we obviously don't want everyone to have capabilities like and beyond what caused the huggingface incident in every domain, so it's not like it all comes from bottom line cynicism.

[lolc]

You can say you don't want the bad guys to get the capability until and after the reality hits you. But this arrogant hope stands in the way of developing an effective response. The handlers of closed models would like you to be dependent on them for protection, this much is clear.

[el_io]

Then you're not very pro open source models.

[solenoid0937]

"I'm pro self defense but don't want everyone to have an ICBM."

"Then you're not pro self defense!"

[brazukadev]

you are not pro self defense if you want just a few to have ICBM.

[rs_rs_rs_rs_rs]

>ut we obviously don't want everyone to have capabilities like and beyond what caused the huggingface incident in every domain

Why not? These tools are also very useful for defense, you just need to apply them.

Read the HuggingFace postmortem, they had to use an open model because all others they tried refused to do any work.

[Tenoke]

Because sadly, as much as I wish it wasn't the case, offense is easier, more impactful than defense.