[Cider9986]

The vast majority of crime happens in fiat, not crypto. Monero protects human rights while fiat allows them to be taken away.

For example, Canadian govt used banks to control peaceful protesters to deny them freedom of expression. If they used Monero they wouldn't have had their rights violated.

[cyberax]

The percentage of classical fiat used for crime is negligible, when compared with the percentage of blockhain fiat used for crimes.

Moreover, classical fiat makes steps to make crime like ransomware or kidnapping impractical. While crypto fiat works on making them easy

[Cider9986]

>The percentage of classical fiat used for crime is negligible, when compared with the percentage of blockhain fiat used for crimes.

If the goal is to prevent crime then going after a currency based on percentage is stupid. Nobody cares about what percent, they care about what's actually happening and that's where the astronomically larger amount of fiat crime matters.

>Moreover, classical fiat makes steps to make crime like ransomware or kidnapping impractical. While crypto fiat works on making them easy

You're right regular transparent crypto is problematic because it makes kidnapping more common. That's why everyone should use privacy coins like Monero because they don't want to go shouting their bank account balance and every purchase they've ever made every time they make a purchase.

We shouldn't spy on everyone to prevent crime, that's like putting everyone in jail and making them prove they are good people to get out or making people accused of committing a crime forced to prove their innocence beyond doubt.

Monero prevents mass surveillance which makes our society more free.

[cyberax]

> Nobody cares about what percent, they care about what's actually happening and that's where the astronomically larger amount of fiat crime matters.

I absolutely care. Classical money system has regulations that make crime like ransomware or (physical) kidnapping impractical. Cryptocrap enables them. The entire ransomware field became possible _just_ because of it.

> Monero prevents mass surveillance which makes our society more free.

Hell no. Monero and other cryptocrap so far produced Trump, enabled CSAM, enabled North Korea to bypass sanctions, and so on.

They did not increase freedom for anybody but criminals. Go on, list the positive outcomes enabled by cryptocrap that are at least commensurate with its harm. I'll wait.

[Cider9986]

If you don't care about privacy, then state your address, bank account balance, phone number, family members, and post photos of the inside of your house. Monero protects some of that information.

It's a human right to choose what information to reveal about yourself.

Crypto is not crap on the whole. Many coins are worthless and scams, but some improves payments and give people more freedom and privacy. Just like everything, understanding crypto requires nuance.

Of course any privacy tool will first be challenged by the bad actors caught using it. That's just the way it goes and is the same with Tor, secure devices like GrapheneOS. But we shouldn't take away peoples rights because of a few bad actors.

There's a vast ecosystem of legal services that accept and use Monero like Mullvad VPN and many listed on donatemonero.org.

Monero prevents ransomware because it prevents others from knowing how much you have. I agree that regular transparent crypto is problematic because of that lack of privacy which enables bad actors like kidnappers or oppressive governments. Monero is an important iteration on transparent crypto. There's a reason one of the "rules" of Monero" is never say how much you have.

I've made 100s of Monero transactions and none of them have been for illicit goods or any crime. They just were for protecting my privacy.

[cyberax]

> If you don't care about privacy, then state your address, bank account balance, phone number, family members, and post photos of the inside of your house.

Nope. I'm fine with the protection that the classic legal system provides.

> Monero protects some of that information.

No, it doesn't. I don't use cryptocrap.

> Of course any privacy tool will first be challenged by the bad actors caught using it. That's just the way it goes and is the same with Tor, secure devices like GrapheneOS. But we shouldn't take away peoples rights because of a few bad actors.

The harm done by GrapheneOS and the harm that is being done every day by cryptocrap are nowhere comparable.

> I've made 100s of Monero transactions and none of them have been for illicit goods or any crime. They just were for protecting my privacy.

And by doing 100s of Monero transactions, you made a noticeable contribution to making the world worse. Congrats.

Go on, I'm still waiting for you to list the positive effects of crypto. It's been 12 years since it became mainstream, so positive effects should be visible by now. Has the world become more democratic? More privacy-oriented?

Perhaps smart contracts and unforgeable blockchains made new applications possible, and they became widespread? Like asset tracking or certificates of origin? Maybe NFTs transformed the art?

Nope. Nothing good came out of it.

[Cider9986]

Protecting and improving privacy is by definition excellent for humans.

GrapheneOS gets many of their donations from Monero [1].

I'm glad you didn't state any personal information. You now can see exactly why Monero is important. Using other online methods of exchanging value would say those things without your permission!

[1] monerostats.org