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by someguyiguess 6 days ago
That should be illegal. Sounds like a very fraudulent business tactic.
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Fraudulent, I wouldn't say so. Anti-consumer or anti-competitive? Sounds like.
It’s common for car companies when they enter a new market. It removes uncertainty from the second hand market.

By doing that, you know upfront what the value of your used hardware will be at the time you decommission it. It removes a lot of the risk for buyers in a volatile market.

Its restrictive, but not that different from other types of deals.

For example, when I worked at a VFX software company, we were exclusively with one hardware partner. This unlocked something like a 50% discount across all our infra needs (they were big enough to provide switches, racks, servers, storage)

another company it unlocked a 75% discount.

The hyperscalers signing these contracts have decent legal departments. Think about Oracle for example - I'm pretty sure they know every trick there is about beneficial contract drafting.

I don't think they need some special protection against this kind of contract.

> That should be illegal. Sounds like a very fraudulent business tactic.

a) It's not fraudulent, and

b) Nvidia has already signed on to buyback any unused capacity from the DCs it is selling to.

Would you call a trade-in a fraudulent tactic?
Trade ins are fine. A contractual commitment to not buy hardware sounds like illegal restraint of trade.
How? It’s a contract. Should I be allowed to pay a landscaper less if I agree to not do part of the work myself?

I don’t understand the desire to tell totally anonymous third parties the terms under which they are allowed to deal with each other.

> It’s a contract

Many kinds of contracts are illegal, including those that are anticompetitive in certain ways.

> Should I be allowed to pay a landscaper less if I agree to not do part of the work myself?

No?

Trade-ins are voluntary.
so are buybacks. you choose to sign the contract. there's no way they didn't have an escape clause, although likely it meant not using the cloud provider anymore
> so are buybacks. you choose to sign the contract

Right, so they're not voluntary.

Literally what? Do you understand what is being proposed?
Yes. "You choose to sign the contract" is not a reasonable argument, for two reasons:

1. There is one supplier, so you have no choice. 2. Even if you had a choice to sign the contract, this still means that it's not the same as a trade-in, because trade-ins are always voluntary, but once you have signed the contract, a right of first refusal is not.

In general, the "you chose to sign the contract" argument is a poor justification for bad contracts. If the contract is bad, it is bad regardless of whether you chose to sign it.

it's also cruel. thankfully orgs like www.siliconstrays.com
The Grift Economy places all legalities on the marks and their inability to form legal fights.