[JKCalhoun]

I'm by no means taking the side of the AI companies, but it's possible that Anthropic "added value" to the data they harvested. Stealing that does seem kind of uncool.

Regardless, it was always inevitable—will continue to happen.

[mrhottakes]

So as long as Kimi added value to Fable, it's fine? Sounds good.

[knollimar]

Moonshot can prove they added value with their paper. Where's Anthropic's proof?

[6gvONxR4sf7o]

I wonder how the "added value" argument can apply to Anthropic and not to the Kimi team. If Claude's value is that you don't have to pay a team of slow expensive subject-matter experts, and Kimi's value is that you don't have to pay Claude, it just seems like the same thing.

[oliculipolicula]

Valuation is hard to perform when it's deep inside a black box. Ther "API" may be easier to evaluate. The problem with this angle is that Moonshot is actually producing _better_ value from Anthropic's blackbox.

Technically, providing better value from your competitor's private holdings could be theft (of trade secrets), but might it also be fair use? "Schrodinger's IP" be damned.

I don't think the 1.5B settlement has resolved this. The 2 cases need to be merged!