[mlfreeman]

The author of this ticket seems to come across as an arrogant know-it-all that thinks "the threats i thought of (or personally face) are the only threats that are significant, fuck anyone in a different situation."

I proudly print my entire KDBX file including passkey private keys and I encourage my elderly parents to do so too.

Lightning strikes (and assisting people with cleanup and repair from them) have taught me that there are definitely a class of threats that will leave me with paper but possibly no technology until I can go buy a cheap laptop to restart my digital life, SO BEING ABLE TO BACK EVERYTHING UP IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.

His website says he's in Boston, so I seriously doubt he's ever seen what lightning can do or dealt with a hurricane or tornado.

In general, if you're in the FIDO Alliance and had anything to do with the kind of micromanagement that passkeys can allow, FUCK YOU. Go get a job at Walmart as a greeter. We'll all be better off.

[duskdozer]

>I proudly print my entire KDBX file including passkey private keys and I encourage my elderly parents to do so too.

Do you mean you print the raw values to paper or some encoding that would let you reconstitute the file (some giant QR code or something?)?

[mlfreeman]

I print a nice HTML document - each entry has each field/value in a HTML table and each group gets its own header.

On macOS I use Strongbox's Print Database capability. On Windows, I'm testing a KeePass plugin I created that does the same thing and more (not quite ready for public release).

If I'm still around and coherent, I can re-type it into a KDBX-supporting app by hand (or maybe if I'm lucky only enough entries to get to a backup in cloud storage).

If the worst happens and I'm no longer capable of using a computer, it's an obviously-important document for whoever is cleaning up after me (I bet most people would understand the importance of a document with a bunch of usernames and passwords). They won't have to somehow break into my computer first to be able to figure out what online/digital matters of mine need to be dealt with.

EDIT: My current printout is 46 pages long.

[duskdozer]

>EDIT: My current printout is 46 pages long.

Wow. Roughly how many entries do you have and how do you handle updates? I'm often being asked to change passwords and of course create new login entries.

[mlfreeman]

57 groups, 307 entries. I try to reprint whenever I get an oil change (so a few times a year).

I don't reprint for every password change. I will for major accounts. I will also immediately print for certain new accounts but not all (e.g. I didn't reprint for my HN account).

The Strongbox printout has the last printed date on it and my KeePass plugin even includes the SHA256 of the KDBX file just to be sure.