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by neckardt 9 days ago
> I don't want to live in a concrete honeycomb in the middle of a loud city.

Yes, this is the crux. Loud, smelly, concrete cities suck. And you’re right that density alone would lead to this.

What we’d ideally want is cities that can be dense without being loud, smelly, and dangerous. These cities exist: Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Zurich, Utrecht, Freiburg, etc.

We can’t do this in the US because we can’t remove the source of the noise/danger/stink/concrete problem: cars.

And that’s the catch 22: In the US everyone gets around by car, so density becomes undesirable. We can’t densify because density + cars is bad, and we can’t reduce cars because it’s not dense enough for public transit to get better.

Individuals get stuck in a prisoner’s dilemma where driving is safer, more comfortable, and faster than transit. So every individual with the means to drive chooses to drive. Public transit becomes branded as something for poor people. The concrete honeycomb fills up. The downtown becomes a noisy disaster. People can no longer imagine that good cities are possible.

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Can you really think of no other problems in addition to cars?
I live in a city and the problems are:

1) sometimes it is noisy at night, usually because of people in cars, but sometimes because of people not in cars;

2) sometimes it takes longer than needed to walk somewhere, due to intersections

3) my house is not as big as I would like. (I think this applies to many people regardless of how big their house is.)

4) the busses are always late in winter

I know I kicked off this discussion, but I have also bemoaned many times about the anti-car people being quasi religious in their anti-worship of cars. They talk about it like missionaries talk about jesus.
Well that's no different than vegans. We "need them" to preach obnoxiously because cars are presumed indispensable.

Vegans gave us the Impossible Burger, which I'll eat instead of regular burgers when available. What might anti-car people trigger as a positive?